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I don't think anyone here doubts the 747 is an awesome airplane. The only question is whether it can make money. Luckily, it appears that, on the basis of the (much larger) combined network, it can. That's something to be grateful for, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
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There is nothing but pure logic in it. The plane makes the network succeed or fail, and the network makes the plane succeed or fail.
I don't think anyone here doubts the 747 is an awesome airplane. The only question is whether it can make money. Luckily, it appears that, on the basis of the (much larger) combined network, it can. That's something to be grateful for, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
I don't think anyone here doubts the 747 is an awesome airplane. The only question is whether it can make money. Luckily, it appears that, on the basis of the (much larger) combined network, it can. That's something to be grateful for, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
It's fantastic that they've found a place for it in our new network. With the new seats they are putting in them I hope we can make some great $$ from some HVC's.
Regardless, this merger really is working out thus far, & as you pointed out Sink, that's something that we can all he greatful for.
There is nothing but pure logic in it. The plane makes the network succeed or fail, and the network makes the plane succeed or fail.
I don't think anyone here doubts the 747 is an awesome airplane. The only question is whether it can make money. Luckily, it appears that, on the basis of the (much larger) combined network, it can. That's something to be grateful for, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
I don't think anyone here doubts the 747 is an awesome airplane. The only question is whether it can make money. Luckily, it appears that, on the basis of the (much larger) combined network, it can. That's something to be grateful for, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
Amen! Very true.
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Maybe... but evidently, it didn't make that much. Or they would have been ordering more, instead of the 787. And, at a minimum, it doesn't appear they felt the network could support additional 744's.
In addition to his comments about 4-engine airframes, Anderson has been critical of UAL's Asia network, where they fielded way too many 747's, especially for the intra-theater stuff. Look at the trends WRT to our Asia network: we're sending even smaller aircraft to NRT, and allegedly are thinking about keeping even small aircraft for beyond-Tokyo flying. And, ironically, some of the places where the B-744 is said to be mostly successfull, i.e. TLV, are opportunities created by the merger.
Now that we have a significantly bigger overall network, it seems only logical that we can successfully field bigger aircraft.
At any rate, I suppose this could be turned into a debate of what could have been under a stand-alone situation. But isn't it much nicer to just look at the current results, and the 747's that are leaving the desert? That's enough for me.
[We agree: what we have is a good thing. I responded before you added to your first sentence]
In addition to his comments about 4-engine airframes, Anderson has been critical of UAL's Asia network, where they fielded way too many 747's, especially for the intra-theater stuff. Look at the trends WRT to our Asia network: we're sending even smaller aircraft to NRT, and allegedly are thinking about keeping even small aircraft for beyond-Tokyo flying. And, ironically, some of the places where the B-744 is said to be mostly successfull, i.e. TLV, are opportunities created by the merger.
Now that we have a significantly bigger overall network, it seems only logical that we can successfully field bigger aircraft.
At any rate, I suppose this could be turned into a debate of what could have been under a stand-alone situation. But isn't it much nicer to just look at the current results, and the 747's that are leaving the desert? That's enough for me.
[We agree: what we have is a good thing. I responded before you added to your first sentence]
There is nothing but pure logic in it. The plane makes the network succeed or fail, and the network makes the plane succeed or fail.
I don't think anyone here doubts the 747 is an awesome airplane. The only question is whether it can make money. Luckily, it appears that, on the basis of the (much larger) combined network, it can. That's something to be grateful for, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
I don't think anyone here doubts the 747 is an awesome airplane. The only question is whether it can make money. Luckily, it appears that, on the basis of the (much larger) combined network, it can. That's something to be grateful for, no matter which side of the fence you're on.
Let's stop the subtle attacks that are still a left over from the N vs S SLI debate. Time to move on.
Why are any of us arguing this? Let's just hope they stick around a long time, and DAL orders more, if they determine they can make money with it. And if not, lets hope they order lots of 777s. Either way, more airplanes = more pilots = more money for each of us.
Let's stop the subtle attacks that are still a left over from the N vs S SLI debate. Time to move on.
Let's stop the subtle attacks that are still a left over from the N vs S SLI debate. Time to move on.
Simple. There are pilots that "know" they cannot make a 12 hr call out at certain times of the day. Heck you cannot sit in ATL and make a 12 hr call out in JFK, EWR, or LGA if they call at 2000 for a 0800 report.
We have also had pilots sitting SC and have expected not go get called, only to get that call and then not be able to make it. Some have even gotten their call and then told the scheduler they were getting on a three hr flight to the hub from their home.
We have also had pilots sitting SC and have expected not go get called, only to get that call and then not be able to make it. Some have even gotten their call and then told the scheduler they were getting on a three hr flight to the hub from their home.
I had it happen twice Dirty, and I was darn glad I was in position because I would have not made report.
Just sayin....
Just sayin....
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