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Old 02-03-2009, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
How many pilots are we talking about there? Looks like a repeat of the Pan Am deal for the FDL guys. Keep the pilots, get rid of their airplanes. Nobody's fault I know and nothing any of us has any control over but what a crappy industry. They had to know shrinkage was the plan when they sold the deal. A little bit of growth (maybe on the West Coast), some new airplanes, really get rid of some RJ's, and management could have made some friends with this group. Looks like they're going the other way.
around 250ish active pilots which will slowly be reduced over the next 12 month. fortunately we have the flexibility to absorb those pilots into other categories. With the increase in narrowbody flying and new staffing model instead of being short we will likely just have a wash in the number of positions.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:22 AM
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Heres a question/scenario:

Lets say DAL chooses to furlough 1000 guys at once. Hypothetically, lets say everyone furloughed wants a compass position. They could just train the most senior 350 guys of the furlough and mitigate some training costs? The other 650 guys would never see a day at compass.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
Heres a question/scenario:

Lets say DAL chooses to furlough 1000 guys at once. Hypothetically, lets say everyone furloughed wants a compass position. They could just train the most senior 350 guys of the furlough and mitigate some training costs? The other 650 guys would never see a day at compass.
This is true and has been looked at. That is why 380 or so was not enough to justify a furlough.
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Old 02-03-2009, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
Heres a question/scenario:

Lets say DAL chooses to furlough 1000 guys at once. Hypothetically, lets say everyone furloughed wants a compass position. They could just train the most senior 350 guys of the furlough and mitigate some training costs? The other 650 guys would never see a day at compass.
The 650 would eventually see compass once recalls started. The 650 would still be senior to the compass pilots that got furloughed therefore as recalls happened the furloughed Nwa pilots would be recalled first. Let's hope that we don't have see this agreement in any motion but up
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:30 PM
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In the Feb bid package there was a ton of domestic time. It is now part of their open time, not the 767 domestic.
We cannot even cover the time unless they exhaust all of the different slips on the ER Category.
Why do they do this all the time while the 767 domestic guys have nothing to pick up?

I think it is just an evil plan to screw with the 767 domestic reserve guys ... where'd that come from?

Also makes me wonder how this giganormous displacement from the 767 domestic is going to work out, especially during IROPS.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:35 PM
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Why do they do this all the time while the 767 domestic guys have nothing to pick up?

I think it is just an evil plan to screw with the 767 domestic reserve guys ... where'd that come from?

Also makes me wonder how this giganormous displacement from the 767 domestic is going to work out, especially during IROPS.

It is contractual. Not the shift in flying but the need to keep the TLV for the year in skew. They do this every winter to make the ER fall in line.
I do not mind it, as it is a paid vacation.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:37 PM
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I hope it* doesn't work.



*767 staffing reductions and IROPS
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:50 PM
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So, here is an ER trip in March: March 2nd ATL-SRQ-ATL-SRQ. March 3rd SRQ-ATL-LGA-ATL.

Say IROPS occurs and they have to recrew their LGA turn with reserves, who does it? ER or 767? Can ER crews be called in to fly a 767 trip? Even in bad IROPS? I did a SFO turn two weeks ago, even the scheduler was like I have no idea why they're telling me to use an ER crew but here ya go. It had a 7ER on it but its not like ER crews own the 763ER.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:53 PM
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ER does it first. White slip, yellow slip etc. If they cannot cover it, they can then go to the 767 pool to fill the post.

Read the JPWA it is all in there. It is to protect each categories flying.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:59 PM
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True, they did print that JPWA out for a reason didn't they...
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