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08-25-2010, 11:53 AM
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FWIW, there are far more times than I can remember where I went down to get a stroller, bag, etc for passengers waiting in the jetway. I have also carried some down prior to departure and have NEVER had any response other than "thanks for the help" from my fellow co-workers (fNWA).
08-25-2010, 11:58 AM
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Totally agree that the situation about dragging their heels and taking their time, let alone not doing the job, needs to be fixed pronto.
On the other hand I admire their scope clause... That pay provision in their contract prevents having some of their job duties outsourced to a 3rd party (aka DGS) and provides for a poison pill should that occur. Perhaps we can learn something about scope and contract language.
It's all a matter of how you chose to look at it...
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On the other hand I admire their scope clause... That pay provision in their contract prevents having some of their job duties outsourced to a 3rd party (aka DGS) and provides for a poison pill should that occur. Perhaps we can learn something about scope and contract language.
It's all a matter of how you chose to look at it...
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08-25-2010, 12:00 PM
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We talked about this same issue several hundred pages ago, and I've been mindful that my help might not be appreciated in some places...YMMV
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08-25-2010, 12:06 PM
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Scope shouldn't protect people who routinely fail to perform or, more egregious in my book, intentionally don't do their job in attempts to prove a point to the company. I'm all for scope, I'm not for consistent refusal to perform required tasks. I really haven't had many problems at MSP or MEM. My ***** is with what is an obvious work slowdown in DTW. Can you imagine what would happen to pilots or FAs if we routinely chose not to perform our duties? Scope or no scope, we'd be on the street.
2 issues:
1) Not doing one's work: unacceptable.
2) Protecting one's work duties from having said duties performed by someone else: scope
The fact that their scope clause happens to also protect them when not doing their job is an unfortunate side effect and I find that sad.
Having contract language defining scope so well it can be used even in situation where people aren't doing their job makes me want to hire their contract writers to work for us...Whoever wrote that clause is good.
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08-25-2010, 12:10 PM
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I'd say we fire all of them, replace them with Mesaba/Skywest/DGS. Heck, even the taxi drivers in MSP works harder than them!
08-25-2010, 12:11 PM
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Do you really look at the flight plan so much that there needs to be two of them? I don't know what you can be looking at so in depth that one flight plan can't work for both pilots. Especially on a domestic leg.
08-25-2010, 12:30 PM
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I'm not fNWA...I get that...but what am I missing?
08-25-2010, 12:31 PM
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No, I don't look at the flight plan that much, it is the Flight Release only that I am talking about. And while marginally adequate to have one, two is optimal. All items regarding routing, MEL's, alternates, Dispatcher and phone numbers, fuel mins were right in my hand, or on the clip on the side window. I think that is a great way to do things. To quote Mr. Lund, the Radio Station owner from 'Oh Brother, Where Art Thou', "I Predict you're gonna enjoy it entirely!"
08-25-2010, 12:36 PM
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OK I'm glad someone else said this, because I thought the same thing about 700 pages ago when this surfaced as an issue. There it is: the flight plan, neatly folded and tucked on the dashboard, under the rear-view mirror. Weather sheet ripped off and smartly stowed in the fold of the jumpseat. I looked at it for MEL items, entered the flight plan, checked fixes with the FMS, required fuel on board, and perused dispatcher remarks/NOTAMS. What else makes this worthy of two copies? Do we each need our own?
I'm not fNWA...I get that...but what am I missing?
I'm not fNWA...I get that...but what am I missing?
That being said... if we do adopt the "two release" fNWA method... I can manage!
08-25-2010, 12:46 PM
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Not true..... I have removed or carried hundreds of strollers/bags up to folks in the jetway.
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