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Old 08-25-2010, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
He doesn't have to give a rat's a$$ what anybody thinks.. in case you haven't noticed, he is at the top of the food chain... Just because he is blunt doesn't make him right either. I find it amazing how he has deflected the whole argument HE STARTED... and even YOU buy into it. He should run for senator.
T I am going to send you a PM on this issue.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
T I am going to send you a PM on this issue.

Anxiously awaiting said PM...
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:21 AM
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It is in your in box.
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dash8widget
Hoser - you didn't happen to fly for AirPac did you?


hmmmm....maybe....sometimes its was called icepac or scarepac. My first day someone got killed. I 'learned' how to fly at that place!
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Old 08-25-2010, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Typical...
Yes. We can take it to the other board....

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Old 08-25-2010, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
I'd say its not NWA culture but an NWA ramper union culture. The single engine taxi issue will fade away with time. When you tell someone for years to NOT single engine taxi its kinda hard to switch overnight.
Did a BOS-LGA-BOS shuttle turn today. Taxi in LGA was 1+ hour, didn't start the 2nd engine until we were #2 for departure. Heck we had to x-feed fuel just to balance from the SE taxi. It's getting better fellas.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I mean do disrespect, but you were the one that brought this issue up. It has been discussed ad nauseum on the DALPA forum. So in by all accounts you are the one that put it on the public forum.

I do agree that it does not need to be discussed here. Frankly, I was pleasantly surprised that it had not been posted on here for the last month and a half.
I think you misunderstood. I have temporarily stopped posting about it because the Council 1 LEC Officers said they have information that they will only pass on at the LEC meeting in person and will not pass it on in writing. LEC officers are refusing to discuss it in public. If the program was legit and above board, I want to know why they can't discuss it in public.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:05 AM
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I don't weigh in here often, but have noticed a bit more FNWA thread items about various issues from SE taxi, Spies in the cockpit, irate IAM baggage handlers etc. muddying things up. NWA is in the history books. I work for Delta. As such, there have been a lot of changes for me to absorb. Most of them have been very positive. We aren't arguing anymore about whether Delta or NWA will survive, merge with Brand X, get more RJ's, or furlough. That is all very positive, and change made those concerns go away. From my isolated corner of the airline, this summer has been enlightening. We MADE a lot of money! Certainly a lot more than Delta or NWA ever hoped of making standing alone. I applaud management for going for it with the ramp up. We also spread a lot of ill will in the process. I would estimate 75% of my flights in June, July and early August had some sort of delay, maintenance, inop APU or boarding issues. That is a change that everyone would agree has not been welcome, and my apology dialogue is wearing thin. The WDR problems are being resolved, more mechanics being hired and I believe management is addressing the problems. I personally and unfortunately, perceive a recalcitrance on the pilot management side of the house to entertain any review of best practices to fix any issues that may have worked well at the former NWA. Everyone knows the IT problems are causing big headaches with scheduling, flight plan updates, reroutes, and providing basic arrival information necessary for station ops. What is such a big deal about adding ACARS functionality, two releases for the cockpit, a reroute or flight plan change that doesn't use 22 linear feet of printer paper? Who or what is standing in the way of such small fixes being implemented?
My information is from my Chief Pilot that the two release thing has caused huge arguments up the food chain and the issue is not open for discussion anymore. If true, someone needs to head back to the line. I used to have a document that had everything I needed to reference in my grubby hands, and the other pilot had the same thing. Can that somehow be a bad thing? These are small issues and we get the job done in spite of them. If one plus one equals three, as evidenced by the profit of the New Delta, then I would hope that the solutions we have to fix Flight Operation's problems would come irrespective of whether they were initiated on Virginia Avenue or Lone Oak Drive.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
I don't weigh in here often, but have noticed a bit more FNWA thread items about various issues from SE taxi, Spies in the cockpit, irate IAM baggage handlers etc. muddying things up. NWA is in the history books. I work for Delta. As such, there have been a lot of changes for me to absorb. Most of them have been very positive. We aren't arguing anymore about whether Delta or NWA will survive, merge with Brand X, get more RJ's, or furlough. That is all very positive, and change made those concerns go away. From my isolated corner of the airline, this summer has been enlightening. We MADE a lot of money! Certainly a lot more than Delta or NWA ever hoped of making standing alone. I applaud management for going for it with the ramp up. We also spread a lot of ill will in the process. I would estimate 75% of my flights in June, July and early August had some sort of delay, maintenance, inop APU or boarding issues. That is a change that everyone would agree has not been welcome, and my apology dialogue is wearing thin. The WDR problems are being resolved, more mechanics being hired and I believe management is addressing the problems. I personally and unfortunately, perceive a recalcitrance on the pilot management side of the house to entertain any review of best practices to fix any issues that may have worked well at the former NWA. Everyone knows the IT problems are causing big headaches with scheduling, flight plan updates, reroutes, and providing basic arrival information necessary for station ops. What is such a big deal about adding ACARS functionality, two releases for the cockpit, a reroute or flight plan change that doesn't use 22 linear feet of printer paper? Who or what is standing in the way of such small fixes being implemented?
My information is from my Chief Pilot that the two release thing has caused huge arguments up the food chain and the issue is not open for discussion anymore. If true, someone needs to head back to the line. I used to have a document that had everything I needed to reference in my grubby hands, and the other pilot had the same thing. Can that somehow be a bad thing? These are small issues and we get the job done in spite of them. If one plus one equals three, as evidenced by the profit of the New Delta, then I would hope that the solutions we have to fix Flight Operation's problems would come irrespective of whether they were initiated on Virginia Avenue or Lone Oak Drive.
Well said Kingbird and 100% right on the money.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Big difference Nu...the ground guys NOT doing their job are DELTA. Picking up a bag, or unkinking the hose is not busting them for protecting their work...its doing the right thing for our mutual company. I'm all for protecting their work...especially if I don't have to do their job. This crap happens all the time in DTW. It needs to be fixed ASAP.
Totally agree that the situation about dragging their heels and taking their time, let alone not doing the job, needs to be fixed pronto.

On the other hand I admire their scope clause... That pay provision in their contract prevents having some of their job duties outsourced to a 3rd party (aka DGS) and provides for a poison pill should that occur. Perhaps we can learn something about scope and contract language.

It's all a matter of how you chose to look at it...

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