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08-25-2010, 07:05 AM
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glad ya'll brought this up! I would not have ever believed this.....
Unbelievable!
Unbelievable!
08-25-2010, 07:12 AM
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Heyas,
I'm sure we'd all get pretty cranky if a RJ showed up to fly a leg on one of our rotations, and I'd bet cash money that our first call would be to ALPA to make sure we got paid for the leg that they flew.
Busting on another group for protecting their work is pretty hypocritical. I only wish we were as agressive in protecting 'our work'
Nu
I'm sure we'd all get pretty cranky if a RJ showed up to fly a leg on one of our rotations, and I'd bet cash money that our first call would be to ALPA to make sure we got paid for the leg that they flew.
Busting on another group for protecting their work is pretty hypocritical. I only wish we were as agressive in protecting 'our work'
Nu
08-25-2010, 07:14 AM
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Heyas,
I'm sure we'd all get pretty cranky if a RJ showed up to fly a leg on one of our rotations, and I'd bet cash money that our first call would be to ALPA to make sure we got paid for the leg that they flew.
Busting on another group for protecting their work is pretty hypocritical. I only wish we were as agressive in protecting 'our work'
Nu
I'm sure we'd all get pretty cranky if a RJ showed up to fly a leg on one of our rotations, and I'd bet cash money that our first call would be to ALPA to make sure we got paid for the leg that they flew.
Busting on another group for protecting their work is pretty hypocritical. I only wish we were as agressive in protecting 'our work'
Nu
Nu;
I get that idea, what I do not get is that there has been no guidance from the DAL-S past practices. I mean my gosh our rampers would ask for a hand since they knew they could count on us helping them with the strollers.
08-25-2010, 07:17 AM
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True dat. It has happened several times this month in DTW. It's called "pay slip", not "pink slip". Pink slipping is something we should be doing. I couldn't believe this when I heard it - verified by ATL CPO...DL legal said not to warn line pilots of this due to the perception of anti-union rhetoric (and an impending lawsuit).
A ramper who isn't doing his job, i.e. picking up that bag, un-kinking air hose, not getting strollers, etc. gets 4 hours of pay from whatever non-teamster did do...the pay comes from Delta's coffers, not the individual performing the act. Go fetch mom's stroller, and some dude gets $600 for not doing anything.
I've warned my f/o's not to be a nice guy at particular stations.
A ramper who isn't doing his job, i.e. picking up that bag, un-kinking air hose, not getting strollers, etc. gets 4 hours of pay from whatever non-teamster did do...the pay comes from Delta's coffers, not the individual performing the act. Go fetch mom's stroller, and some dude gets $600 for not doing anything.
I've warned my f/o's not to be a nice guy at particular stations.
I will not make my/our pax suffer b/c there is a provision in some hourly employees contract that says they can be pathetic SOB's and then get extra pay for their spineless behavior.
I will continue to get strollers, fix hoses, and help out where needed because that's the way it should be.
End of rant over stupid union BS.
08-25-2010, 07:23 AM
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Uh, yeah...that's the source of my angst...they're not doing "their work" in the first place, but reaping the benefits from someone else trying to lend a hand. Call me a hypocrite all you wish, but the passenger walks away from his/her Delta flight with a different opinion.
08-25-2010, 07:33 AM
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08-25-2010, 07:51 AM
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True dat. It has happened several times this month in DTW. It's called "pay slip", not "pink slip". Pink slipping is something we should be doing. I couldn't believe this when I heard it - verified by ATL CPO...DL legal said not to warn line pilots of this due to the perception of anti-union rhetoric (and an impending lawsuit).
A ramper who isn't doing his job, i.e. picking up that bag, un-kinking air hose, not getting strollers, etc. gets 4 hours of pay from whatever non-teamster did do...the pay comes from Delta's coffers, not the individual performing the act. Go fetch mom's stroller, and some dude gets $600 for not doing anything.
I've warned my f/o's not to be a nice guy at particular stations.
A ramper who isn't doing his job, i.e. picking up that bag, un-kinking air hose, not getting strollers, etc. gets 4 hours of pay from whatever non-teamster did do...the pay comes from Delta's coffers, not the individual performing the act. Go fetch mom's stroller, and some dude gets $600 for not doing anything.
I've warned my f/o's not to be a nice guy at particular stations.
The pay slip is nothing new for fnwa guys.We've received memos and guidance many times before.
08-25-2010, 08:10 AM
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Heyas,
I'm sure we'd all get pretty cranky if a RJ showed up to fly a leg on one of our rotations, and I'd bet cash money that our first call would be to ALPA to make sure we got paid for the leg that they flew.
Busting on another group for protecting their work is pretty hypocritical. I only wish we were as agressive in protecting 'our work'
Nu
I'm sure we'd all get pretty cranky if a RJ showed up to fly a leg on one of our rotations, and I'd bet cash money that our first call would be to ALPA to make sure we got paid for the leg that they flew.
Busting on another group for protecting their work is pretty hypocritical. I only wish we were as agressive in protecting 'our work'
Nu
08-25-2010, 08:17 AM
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A few weeks ago, I posted that I'd had several bad experiences at IAM represented bases. Yesterday, had the opposite experience in MSP and wanted to get that out of the way first.
Now, I can't in good conscience support the idea that because we have a union, we have to support the other union members in their "failure" to work. If we fail to work, what happens? At least a trip to the CPO. It's about professionalism.
I'm all for fair working conditions. But in MI the unemployment rate is about 14.5% and these guys act like they are entitled to employment. Just like the ACS workers in ATL. If you're trying, great! Otherwise shove a cattle prod up their butt and if that doesn't work, show them the door. We're not doing well in customer satisfaction and this is supposed to be the year of the customer. Can you imagine if this wasn't a focus item?
Now, I can't in good conscience support the idea that because we have a union, we have to support the other union members in their "failure" to work. If we fail to work, what happens? At least a trip to the CPO. It's about professionalism.
I'm all for fair working conditions. But in MI the unemployment rate is about 14.5% and these guys act like they are entitled to employment. Just like the ACS workers in ATL. If you're trying, great! Otherwise shove a cattle prod up their butt and if that doesn't work, show them the door. We're not doing well in customer satisfaction and this is supposed to be the year of the customer. Can you imagine if this wasn't a focus item?
08-25-2010, 08:21 AM
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(By the way, tim123... I'm not giving you a hard time. I'm just using your post to vent my frustration!)
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