Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-19-2010, 11:48 AM
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Did I mention I don't like the way it's been done for the past thousand years?
08-19-2010, 11:52 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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I couldn't give you a raise New, that is above my paygrade. I gave you the next best thing.
08-19-2010, 12:02 PM
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First bring the DC-9 (will now be a 125 seater with the parking of the 30's and 40's,) MD-88, MD-90, 320/319, 737 700/800, all into one tier based on the current 737 rates.
Next tier would be the 757/7ER tier based on current 767 pay.
Finally a widebody tier for the 767-400, 330, 777, 787, 747 based on 747 pay rates.
Coupled with good international and redeye types of overides.
We felt that this would do several things for our pay system:
Reduce training cycles as there would be less chasing of payrates.
Provide marketing with the ability to plan routes with labor costs being less variable. Planners love "fixed costs"
Help to move us from a pay system that was set up to maximize "final average earnings" in the last 5 years for a pension based retirement to a system that gives a more steady increase over the average career to fit the current defined contribution system that favors "time value of money" for retirement.
Only three aircraft types to discuss at the negotiating table as all others would slot into one of these.
Next tier would be the 757/7ER tier based on current 767 pay.
Finally a widebody tier for the 767-400, 330, 777, 787, 747 based on 747 pay rates.
Coupled with good international and redeye types of overides.
We felt that this would do several things for our pay system:
Reduce training cycles as there would be less chasing of payrates.
Provide marketing with the ability to plan routes with labor costs being less variable. Planners love "fixed costs"
Help to move us from a pay system that was set up to maximize "final average earnings" in the last 5 years for a pension based retirement to a system that gives a more steady increase over the average career to fit the current defined contribution system that favors "time value of money" for retirement.
Only three aircraft types to discuss at the negotiating table as all others would slot into one of these.
So why not put the 95, 88, 90, 737, 738, 319 and 320 together?
Now, honestly I look at the 737 every once in a while and consider wanting to go to it for the pay and trips. But if I got paid the same, it'd take years before I'd want to bid off my beloved Maddog.
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Has anyone head Satch's ELT going off? He evidently went missing. Or does nobody listen to guard? Hmmm? Annoying frequency? Too much guard police driving you nuts? Too many false calls. ATC searching for planes getting old? Cessna being intercepted in a TFR bor... wait, no, that was interesting to listen to. Went on for half an hour until the fighter pulled up on their wing and checked in. I had a buddy at Coex flying an ATR-42-320 (slow model of a slow plane) and got intercepted at random a month after 9/11. For fun they pulled the power down by half just to watch the F16 adjust. Some people are funny.
08-19-2010, 12:15 PM
No longer cares
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08-19-2010, 12:17 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Add overrides for cranky cat ranchers.
08-19-2010, 12:22 PM
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Too funny. Considering he hasn't posted since, you must have done something to him for sure. I could picture you up in the cockpit mumbling red rum, red rum, red rum, and then when Satch went on break he probably saw 80 in the aisle with a three-wheeler and then he ran to his seat and pulled the curtain closed where he shivered all break and failed to sleep until 30 minutes left till the end of his break and finding no sollace in Big Love's episodes. And then 20 minutes prior to the end of his break T pops his head between the curtains saying "HERE'S TSQUARE! NOW BLOCK THIS FIELD GOAL PUNK!"
Yeah T, dudes probably so screwed up he actually thinks Bama would've won if McCoy hadn't gone out off a cheap shot.
If that doesn't get him back to posting nothing will.
HA HA HA!
08-19-2010, 12:52 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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I just saw that we're adding more LHR flights with 216 seat 767s. Is that the ER with lie flats added?
Last edited by nwaf16dude; 08-19-2010 at 01:10 PM.
08-19-2010, 12:56 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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FTB;
Big fan of your posts, but this is a 10 second no vote. Thanks for playing.
08-19-2010, 01:04 PM
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I don't think he is proposing those pay rates, just trying to stir up ideas on how to make our pay scale less complex.....like a WB/NB scale. FTB will be asking for much higher rates IMO.
08-19-2010, 01:23 PM
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I could conceivably get on board with Mem9guy's methodology. There is afterall no FAE race anymore. That said though, the 747-400 should be in a league of its own (or should it?). 777, 330, 764, in one lump. Pay rates should be much much higher than FTB's table. And NewK definitely needs a raise.
I am sick of chasing the coin - I get that. Schools suck. I was super happy on the -er, but there is too big of a pay gap between it and the 777 to stay put. Now I'm super happy on the 777 and would happily save the company training costs if it made money and lifestyle sense to not bid off. Do not read this as the 777 needs a paycut.
Any scope concession (short of stapling little jets to the seniority list) is a NO vote for me too...Anyone who bids yes for a scope concession won't get the money either, ask Midwest.
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