BigGuns

Well I do know that if everyone used maximum efficiency , and se taxis now, it would hurt a lot more in January 2013 when/if we need to stop....

NWA320pilot

All this talk of SE taxi cracks me up..... It's the captains ship and if wants to spin 2 engines its his prerogative. We shouldn't be on here whining about how other pilots at our airline operate the aircraft they have been given charge as long as it's within the operational parameters set forth by mother Delta.

johnso29

Look I don't argue with the CA about SE Taxi. I merely try to encourage it. IDK why guys are stuck on the NWA no SE taxi mentality. You don't have to start em both every leg, & you don't have to SE taxi every leg. But if it's a 30+ min taxi in LGA and the WX stinks in MSP or SLC why wouldn't you want to conserve fuel for when you're in the air? Why would you run two when it's not operationally necessary? Its just silly.

80ktsClamp

Doesn't hurt to plant the seed in their minds though. That's the whole point. When a culture has been built around limitations that don't really exist, education is the key on creating that change.

DAL 88 Driver

Good assessment, Slow. Just one minor tweak to the way I think this should be framed...

I don't think what we want is "more". (I mean, it is but it isn't... bear with me.) I for one would just be happy to get back to where we were before airline pilot compensation was radically and unnecessarily changed. Until we get there, I don't consider anything we get a "raise", i.e "more". In other words, I do not consider our current situation some new "baseline" from which we would seek historically traditional improvements.

I know you understand all that. But I also think the way we frame it matters.

Anyway, just my "2 cents"...

NWA320pilot

I understand your guys wanting to save some fuel..... I just don't agree that whining about how another pilot operates an aircraft is our place.

johnso29

Well that I agree with.

Tomcat

This is not what they are putting out at the schoolhouse. I know of no limits in Volume 1, but we were told anything above 40% is reported to FOQA.

My entire point about the SE taxi is that although I think we should do it, as a FO that's new to the fleet and new to a North base, it's really up to you as the LCA pilots to encourage this cultural change with your Captains. After I've been in the fleet a little longer, I will spend more effort trying to influence these changes.

I'm the first South guy that most every pilot in my base has flown with. One of the first issues I have to deal with now is giving them the first leg to let them vent about the manuals, checklist and all the changes they've been through. After the first leg it's all good. I figure by the second or third rotation we fly together might be a good time to start encouraging them to taxi SE. A little CRM goes a long way.

V/R, TC

johnso29

Very true, but FOQA cannot be used for disciplinary purposes. You definitely have to be smart about SE Taxi, especially in the small alleys in MEM. Just be aware of your surroundings. Also, in my experience delays aren't common in MEM but one could always start 2 then shut 1 down if they encounter significant delays. JMO, and that's worth whatever you want it to be.

acl65pilot

I do not argue that. I beleive just by doing some simple math that our percentage of the revenue is about 7-8%. If the total revenue grows by five billion I do not think that the company would have too much heart burn with what we are deeming restoration.

I am all for going for restoration, but from the talks I have had with fellow pilots I am not too sure that the simple majority are. We could debate a 20% bump then a 10% bump with a contract than give five to seven percent for the duration. One that has a lower percentage and a COLA (buying power), a ten year deal with 20% then five and cola every year all day. Fact is that when you run the math many of the more pragmatic solutions generally we will come out head if we would remain in section six over two and a half years. (assuming we do not get 100% retro)

The law of compounding is important, restoration compensation is important, and others. What I think all of us need to do is take a look at the options, years to attain each option and then determine which one puts more money in each pilots pocket at the end state of the next agreement.

Do we really want to be in section six talks all the way though the next boom? Maybe, give your input to your reps.