Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-29-2010, 06:57 PM
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Couple questions for the GS veterans:
1. I just was awarded a GS that put me 30/7 with a trip next month, which they dropped without pay. Was this correct?
2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time?
3. Who gets to decide when a payback day is used? Can I pick up a high time day trip with the ability to later place my pb day on top of it? If I do this, will the dropped credit count towards the GS trigger?
I know it's asking alot, but any contract references would be handy to have. I've searched a little, but can't seem to get these nitty gritty answers nailed down.
Thanks to the peanut gallery in advance
1. I just was awarded a GS that put me 30/7 with a trip next month, which they dropped without pay. Was this correct?
2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time?
3. Who gets to decide when a payback day is used? Can I pick up a high time day trip with the ability to later place my pb day on top of it? If I do this, will the dropped credit count towards the GS trigger?
I know it's asking alot, but any contract references would be handy to have. I've searched a little, but can't seem to get these nitty gritty answers nailed down.
Thanks to the peanut gallery in advance
07-29-2010, 07:20 PM
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Couple questions for the GS veterans:
1. I just was awarded a GS that put me 30/7 with a trip next month, which they dropped without pay. Was this correct? Unless you gave consent to do that it doesn't sound correct. Usually, once a trip is on your line it's yours unless you drop, swap etc. This sounds like it should be a GSWC.
2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time? In a month where you are below the GS trigger, a GS will be paid single pay up to the GS trigger and then double pay for the remainder. Looks like you got that.
3. Who gets to decide when a payback day is used? Can I pick up a high time day trip with the ability to later place my pb day on top of it? If I do this, will the dropped credit count towards the GS trigger? A payback day only comes in play for a reserve GS. It starts about 9 hours after you block in on the last leg. If there are not enough days left in the month then it goes into a payback day bank. I believe you and the scheduler must agree where it is to be used once it's in the payback bank. You have the rest of the calendar year to try and use that day when and how you want but if it's not used this way by Dec. 31 it becomes a "supplemental day" and will be available to add to one of your vacations the following vacation year.
I know it's asking alot, but any contract references would be handy to have. I've searched a little, but can't seem to get these nitty gritty answers nailed down. Sorry for no contract references.
Thanks to the peanut gallery in advance
1. I just was awarded a GS that put me 30/7 with a trip next month, which they dropped without pay. Was this correct? Unless you gave consent to do that it doesn't sound correct. Usually, once a trip is on your line it's yours unless you drop, swap etc. This sounds like it should be a GSWC.
2. Does a GS in a REG month count towards your GS trigger? For example, I'm at 65 hours next month, and the trigger is 75 (I think). If I pick up a 20 hour GS trip, will 10 hours be paid at double time? In a month where you are below the GS trigger, a GS will be paid single pay up to the GS trigger and then double pay for the remainder. Looks like you got that.
3. Who gets to decide when a payback day is used? Can I pick up a high time day trip with the ability to later place my pb day on top of it? If I do this, will the dropped credit count towards the GS trigger? A payback day only comes in play for a reserve GS. It starts about 9 hours after you block in on the last leg. If there are not enough days left in the month then it goes into a payback day bank. I believe you and the scheduler must agree where it is to be used once it's in the payback bank. You have the rest of the calendar year to try and use that day when and how you want but if it's not used this way by Dec. 31 it becomes a "supplemental day" and will be available to add to one of your vacations the following vacation year.
I know it's asking alot, but any contract references would be handy to have. I've searched a little, but can't seem to get these nitty gritty answers nailed down. Sorry for no contract references.
Thanks to the peanut gallery in advance
Denny
07-29-2010, 07:25 PM
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ok I am really stupid but I want to drop a trip on 6 aug and pick up on 31 jul can't get it input on swap with pot what am I doing wrong??
07-29-2010, 07:52 PM
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07-29-2010, 09:05 PM
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As a DN guy I am still not up to speed on the Duty Day. I know that we can be scheduled a max of 13.
When I look at my rotation and see two duty day numbers, one lower than the other.......which one do I add the two hours to to determine my max duty day ?
And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.
Soooo, if our max duty day is, let's say,....7 hours......are we then able to only go two hours above that, to 9 hours and go to the hotel?
Inquiring minds want to know....... recently during IROPS, crew tracking assumed that we were going to work up to the 16 hour duty day,...we pulled the plug at 14,.........
When I look at my rotation and see two duty day numbers, one lower than the other.......which one do I add the two hours to to determine my max duty day ?
And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.
Soooo, if our max duty day is, let's say,....7 hours......are we then able to only go two hours above that, to 9 hours and go to the hotel?
Inquiring minds want to know....... recently during IROPS, crew tracking assumed that we were going to work up to the 16 hour duty day,...we pulled the plug at 14,.........
07-29-2010, 09:07 PM
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It's a big roll of the dice playing open time across month-ends.
07-29-2010, 09:09 PM
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As a DN guy I am still not up to speed on the Duty Day. I know that we can be scheduled a max of 13.
When I look at my rotation and see two duty day numbers, one lower than the other.......which one do I add the two hours to to determine my max duty day ?
And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.
Soooo, if our max duty day is, let's say,....7 hours......are we then able to only go two hours above that, to 9 hours and go to the hotel?
Inquiring minds want to know....... recently during IROPS, crew tracking assumed that we were going to work up to the 16 hour duty day,...we pulled the plug at 14,.........
When I look at my rotation and see two duty day numbers, one lower than the other.......which one do I add the two hours to to determine my max duty day ?
And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.
Soooo, if our max duty day is, let's say,....7 hours......are we then able to only go two hours above that, to 9 hours and go to the hotel?
Inquiring minds want to know....... recently during IROPS, crew tracking assumed that we were going to work up to the 16 hour duty day,...we pulled the plug at 14,.........
I think it is +2 hours on whatever the duty day is listed as on your pattern.
I have to find it in the contract, but I'm pretty sure on that one.
07-29-2010, 09:43 PM
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The maximum scheduled duty time limitations set forth in Section 12 D. are scheduling
limitations only. Maximum scheduled duty time is calculated as of the point in time of
initial publication or creation of a duty period. A pilot will not be rerouted or required to
be on duty more than two hours beyond his applicable maximum scheduled duty time in
Section 12 D. 1. and 3. It is within the sole discretion of each individual pilot to decide
in any given situation whether he will remain on duty beyond his maximum scheduled
duty time plus two hours. A pilot’s decision not to remain on duty beyond his maximum
scheduled duty time plus two hours will be accepted without challenge by Crew
Tracking.
limitations only. Maximum scheduled duty time is calculated as of the point in time of
initial publication or creation of a duty period. A pilot will not be rerouted or required to
be on duty more than two hours beyond his applicable maximum scheduled duty time in
Section 12 D. 1. and 3. It is within the sole discretion of each individual pilot to decide
in any given situation whether he will remain on duty beyond his maximum scheduled
duty time plus two hours. A pilot’s decision not to remain on duty beyond his maximum
scheduled duty time plus two hours will be accepted without challenge by Crew
Tracking.
07-29-2010, 10:16 PM
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When I look at my rotation and see two duty day numbers, one lower than the other.......which one do I add the two hours to to determine my max duty day ?
And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.
And........although the FAA says that we can go to 16 hours, our contract says that we can fly only two above our max scheduled duty day.
I could be wrong but I don't think there is anything in the contract that actually prohibits you from going to 16 hours if you wanted to. However I would think long and hard about that one........
Denny
Edit: NewK I just read your post and you covered it all!! So disregard the above!
Last edited by Denny Crane; 07-29-2010 at 10:19 PM. Reason: added text
07-29-2010, 10:18 PM
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1. If you have hours in your bank from previous bank deposits you can pull out 10 hours to get to the GS trigger then you will get all 20 hours paid as double pay. I always have 10-15 hours in the bank for that reason. Someone told me you can pull out hours you don't have and go to a negative bank balance to get up to the trigger, but I'm not sure about that since I've never tried it.
2. WS a trip on your days off for straight pay that is worth at least 10 hours and then you will get the 20 hours for your GS paid at double pay. Right now you will get paid 30 hours for your trip. If you pick up a 10 hour two day you will get 50 hours of total pay vs. 30 so you essentially get double pay for the 10 hour WS trip you pick up.
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