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07-29-2010, 08:18 AM
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While what you say is true, I have never had a scheduler give me any grief if I simply explain to them that I am out of position or whatever, and cannot make a GS that did in fact meet my requirements. Logic really DOES take precedent their most of the time, and they realize that if they try to force you into a GS that you cannot make that they could wind up using a precious short call or going to some other heroic measure to cover the trip..
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07-29-2010, 08:22 AM
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I do agree that you need to put in the proper parameters or don't answer the phone and look it up later. The schedulers get plssed because you are wasting their time if you answer and then tell them no dice if a trip matches your slip. I definitely see their side on that.
Be honest about your slips and it will never be an issue.
07-29-2010, 09:02 AM
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I got a call for a GS yesterday that I couldn't quite make...sign-in was about 10 mins before I could reasonably expect to get there. I didn't answer the phone call, but was debating with myself whether I should call back and check on a late sign in. Anybody ever tried that?
07-29-2010, 09:05 AM
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So what exactly is "Acknowledge" the trip? Is it saying "hello" or is it "yes I can be there?" I tend to believe the latter. For the one time I may have not been able to help out there are probably 20 that I have. It's summer and the whole operation is stressed. We all have to work together to make it run smoothly.
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07-29-2010, 09:05 AM
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I got a call for a GS yesterday that I couldn't quite make...sign-in was about 10 mins before I could reasonably expect to get there. I didn't answer the phone call, but was debating with myself whether I should call back and check on a late sign in. Anybody ever tried that?
That is usually fine with them.
07-29-2010, 09:17 AM
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I got a call for a GS yesterday that I couldn't quite make...sign-in was about 10 mins before I could reasonably expect to get there. I didn't answer the phone call, but was debating with myself whether I should call back and check on a late sign in. Anybody ever tried that?
However, that was the old crew scheduling, not the people we are dealing with nowadays (the downturn started aprox 4 months ago). Now I am on an out of base trip, pulled from a SC to cover a Europe trip out of ATL. I find it really hard to see why they didn't cover this trip with a GS rather than DH me all over and put me up in downtown ATL for two nights, unless they are told to reduce the GS to minimum. Common sense has left Mekka...
07-29-2010, 09:32 AM
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While we were in contract negotiations for "Contract 2000," there was an alledged effort (according to the company) by individual pilots to put pressure on the company by refusing to GS, WS, and YS. According to the company, part of this alleged activity was done on the DALPA webboard. Even though there was no union sanction of this effort, the company decided to sue the union AND 49 individual pilots saying it was a violation of the Railway Labor Act because there was a change in the "status quo" while negotiations were going on. The company sued both Alpa and 49 individual pilots and won an initial injunction against the union and the individual pilots. I don't know how much they sued for but it was a substantial amount, at least to individual pilots. It was later resolved in the final contract of July 2001. This is why there is a screen that you have to "agree to" to sign on to the DALPA weboard now. It's been there ever since the injunction was issued.
This is my understanding of what went on. I was not one of the 49'ers.
Denny
This is my understanding of what went on. I was not one of the 49'ers.
Denny
You are spot on with your post. The really sad part of this whole affair was the next chapter. Some time during the whole BK era (not quite sure which LOA) Green-slips were changed from 2.0 to 1.5 times pay, and only over over XX hours of credit, of which sick time, vacation etc did not count. To me an average non-lawyer Joe this meant "No more status quo."
In my unsophisticated world the union could have used the preceding case as precedent for not performing any more additional flying - the company made a change to the status quo. We had guys on furlough and to me, this was a missed opportunity. Overall, I think DALPA has done quite well in the tumultuous decade following 9-11, but I will never understand the above situation. Maybe the senior guys were digging the extra flying and thought it was a way to help soften the drastic pay cuts. Maybe the union was a little gun-shy after the previous court ruling.
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07-29-2010, 09:32 AM
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07-29-2010, 09:39 AM
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On the issue of green-slips as proffers - If you put in for a green-slip you are "requesting to fly" and are expected to be available. You can use the GS filters or just put in a blanket GS and screen your calls - both methods work.
In a perfect world if you are going to be 'out of position' you should not have a green-slip in the system. Or as has been said before don't answer the phone.
I have turned down GS's before and never had a scheduler ever say anything other than OK, and smartly move on. I'm sure if they are desperate and you are the third pilot with a GS in that couldn't take the trip they would naturally get a little frustrated and understandably so.
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In a perfect world if you are going to be 'out of position' you should not have a green-slip in the system. Or as has been said before don't answer the phone.
I have turned down GS's before and never had a scheduler ever say anything other than OK, and smartly move on. I'm sure if they are desperate and you are the third pilot with a GS in that couldn't take the trip they would naturally get a little frustrated and understandably so.
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07-29-2010, 09:40 AM
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On the issue of green-slips as proffers - If you put in for a green-slip you are "requesting to fly" and are expected to be available. You can use the GS filters or just put in a blanket GS and screen your calls - both methods work.
In a perfect world if you are going to be 'out of position' you should not have a green-slip in the system. Or as has been said before don't answer the phone.
I have turned down GSs before and never had a scheduler ever say anything other than OK, and smartly move on. On the other hand - I'm sure if they are desperate and you are the third pilot with a GS in that couldn't take the trip they would naturally get a little frustrated and understandably so.
Scoop
In a perfect world if you are going to be 'out of position' you should not have a green-slip in the system. Or as has been said before don't answer the phone.
I have turned down GSs before and never had a scheduler ever say anything other than OK, and smartly move on. On the other hand - I'm sure if they are desperate and you are the third pilot with a GS in that couldn't take the trip they would naturally get a little frustrated and understandably so.
Scoop
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