Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2010, 05:36 PM
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I would say their track record has not been very good in this regard. Side letters providing relief without any dialog with the pilot group has historically made people believe Moak and the crew cant be trusted. It is what it is at they say.
07-04-2010, 06:11 PM
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Ah, but there is the rub. If the company has to reduce the number of 76'ers to 85, that is a lot of lift taken out of the system. That is a lot of revenue lost and that equals less money for us too. Especially going into sec 6 negotiations, a profitable company is important to us.
Its called leverage
I'm not advocating we roll over, not in the least. Just pointing out the Law of Unintended Consequences. How would we replace that lift? Do we have enough mainline lift to fill in? Or would those routes go to other DCI carriers? It's something we will have to think through, not make a knee jerk reaction, in either direction.
The contract does not allow for another DCI to pick up the other 76 seaters - they are limited system wide to 85
My guess is if it came down to it, the company would ignore the provision, make us grieve it, and use the time to come up with a solution. In fact, that may be the best course of action. Can you say MD90s?
Its called leverage
I'm not advocating we roll over, not in the least. Just pointing out the Law of Unintended Consequences. How would we replace that lift? Do we have enough mainline lift to fill in? Or would those routes go to other DCI carriers? It's something we will have to think through, not make a knee jerk reaction, in either direction.
The contract does not allow for another DCI to pick up the other 76 seaters - they are limited system wide to 85
My guess is if it came down to it, the company would ignore the provision, make us grieve it, and use the time to come up with a solution. In fact, that may be the best course of action. Can you say MD90s?
If you can't stomach the risk that goes with enforcing or fighting for your contract you may as well give management what they want - sort of like the 76 seat grievance settlement, which if you spin really hard will make yourself dizzy enough to believe it was a gain.
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07-04-2010, 06:28 PM
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So full restoration of C2K plus inflation, with a DC of 19-22% (in lieu of 2% DB) wouldn't convince guys to leave the 51-76 scope section "as-is"?
I'm not advocating this position, but do you really think that 50.1% of the DAL group would pass on that? Not likely. Wish it was different but this is the forums, not the true sentiment of "average line guy"....
I'm not advocating this position, but do you really think that 50.1% of the DAL group would pass on that? Not likely. Wish it was different but this is the forums, not the true sentiment of "average line guy"....
07-04-2010, 06:31 PM
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I agree. Use the leverage. Time for us to benefit, and if LM disagrees and gives in, he will become even more unpopular.
07-04-2010, 06:38 PM
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If we truly have leverage as a result of this deal, make them open section 6 early. They are crowing about all the money they are making now, so now is the time. Lets get it started early so we have a done deal nlt 2012. We should be able to get some major improvements and get scope fixed for good.
07-04-2010, 06:51 PM
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Make no mistake... We have an unprecedented opportunity to repair much of the damage done over the last few years I, for one, want the cap reduced. If management wants those jets flown, mainline pilots can fly them. While I understand that reducing the 76 seat cap could potentially be financially damaging to the company, that does not make me want that flying back any less.
Once the loan that all of us gave to Delta Air Lines is paid in full, I will be willing to entertain some kind of quid pro quo. Until then, we must all recognize the rare occasion that we truly hold all the cards. This is one of those times. Recapture scope. Now.
07-04-2010, 06:58 PM
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07-04-2010, 07:00 PM
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Let us sing kumbaya this evening, and let management read these words:
Scope is not for sale. No penny, no rig, no retirement contribution can change this fact. Not one more seat. Not one more jet. We will not allow another airplane to be flown by someone who does not wear the double breasted, hat wearing, widget thong donning uniform.
Scope is not for sale. No penny, no rig, no retirement contribution can change this fact. Not one more seat. Not one more jet. We will not allow another airplane to be flown by someone who does not wear the double breasted, hat wearing, widget thong donning uniform.
07-04-2010, 07:20 PM
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So full restoration of C2K plus inflation, with a DC of 19-22% (in lieu of 2% DB) wouldn't convince guys to leave the 51-76 scope section "as-is"?
I'm not advocating this position, but do you really think that 50.1% of the DAL group would pass on that? Not likely. Wish it was different but this is the forums, not the true sentiment of "average line guy"....
I'm not advocating this position, but do you really think that 50.1% of the DAL group would pass on that? Not likely. Wish it was different but this is the forums, not the true sentiment of "average line guy"....
07-04-2010, 07:27 PM
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