Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-04-2010, 01:23 PM
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I see what you mean but do we have the capability to surge the 320 fleet to cover that flying? Aren't we stretched pretty thin already in that fleet. At least that is what I gather from guys posting here. As for the 9s, same story is it not? Besides what is the casm difference between the block 30s and 40s and the Ejet? ACL would know.
I would love to see mainline jets fly those routes and pax. I just don't think we have the ability to do it very short notice. As for us flying the 170, not a bad idea. We have pay rates published but the training costs would be a bundle and the time to spin us up.
I'm not advocating any position here, just trying to get some rational thinking going. Scope is a very emotional issue, for me as well as most every one here. Emotions as strong as that tend to cloud ones thinking. We need to let our leaders know what is unacceptable but trust them to do the right thing, for ourselves and the company, because our destinies are tied together.
I would love to see mainline jets fly those routes and pax. I just don't think we have the ability to do it very short notice. As for us flying the 170, not a bad idea. We have pay rates published but the training costs would be a bundle and the time to spin us up.
I'm not advocating any position here, just trying to get some rational thinking going. Scope is a very emotional issue, for me as well as most every one here. Emotions as strong as that tend to cloud ones thinking. We need to let our leaders know what is unacceptable but trust them to do the right thing, for ourselves and the company, because our destinies are tied together.
If we can recapture a large portion of our 70+ seat flying, I bet it woud be ok with us to give the company a reasonable amount of time to put us in the jets.
I don't think the -9 fleet is maxed out and I know a lot of the flying the 170's do out of DTW is stuff we did on the -9 just a year ago.
I just hope our leaders know that we want that flying back.
We can do it.
07-04-2010, 02:06 PM
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I see what you mean but do we have the capability to surge the 320 fleet to cover that flying? Aren't we stretched pretty thin already in that fleet. At least that is what I gather from guys posting here. As for the 9s, same story is it not? Besides what is the casm difference between the block 30s and 40s and the Ejet? ACL would know.
I would love to see mainline jets fly those routes and pax. I just don't think we have the ability to do it very short notice. As for us flying the 170, not a bad idea. We have pay rates published but the training costs would be a bundle and the time to spin us up.
I'm not advocating any position here, just trying to get some rational thinking going. Scope is a very emotional issue, for me as well as most every one here. Emotions as strong as that tend to cloud ones thinking. We need to let our leaders know what is unacceptable but trust them to do the right thing, for ourselves and the company, because our destinies are tied together.
I would love to see mainline jets fly those routes and pax. I just don't think we have the ability to do it very short notice. As for us flying the 170, not a bad idea. We have pay rates published but the training costs would be a bundle and the time to spin us up.
I'm not advocating any position here, just trying to get some rational thinking going. Scope is a very emotional issue, for me as well as most every one here. Emotions as strong as that tend to cloud ones thinking. We need to let our leaders know what is unacceptable but trust them to do the right thing, for ourselves and the company, because our destinies are tied together.
One comment to start with. We could very quickly fly these jets. Give the CPS and Mesaba guys seniority numbers. ( No training required!)
If you want the CASM numbers that are close to true, go to:
Airline Financial Data
or the raw data.
BTS | Airline Financial Data Press Releases
google form 41 data.
07-04-2010, 02:08 PM
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I do not argue that, I am just making the point that if you want said liabilities off the balance sheet, it does not mean that you need to keep the jobs off the list! Just saying the financial reason does not carry the water some would like it too!
07-04-2010, 02:10 PM
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They are leasing the jets to TSH as the press release states, so yes we own them. Also, have we sold them yet? I thought this was an announcement of an agreed sale, not the completion of the financial transaction.
07-04-2010, 02:11 PM
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I don't believe the company is that naive to not know what's in our contract before this sell. Delta is hoping ALPA thinks like you. The attacks on our scope are never obvious. They are always subtle, minus the bankruptcies, like this one. THIS IS AN ATTACK ON OUR SCOPE AGAIN!!!!! It is time to hold the line no matter how much it costs the company. We need to gain the company's respect when it comes to scope. So far, we have not done that. I didn't realize the next scope attack was going to come this soon, but I did know it was coming eventually.
07-04-2010, 02:13 PM
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Some do bind their holding companies.
Point is and was that we are talking about a DAL job with a number. Read my above post. It was merely pointing out what I stated above.
Most would love for the flying to be taken back, but that a talk for a different day.
Point is and was that we are talking about a DAL job with a number. Read my above post. It was merely pointing out what I stated above.
Most would love for the flying to be taken back, but that a talk for a different day.
07-04-2010, 02:39 PM
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Anyone know the extent of the three medical emergencies on DL54 bound for Lagos last night (arrival was today)? The flight diverted to Dakar before continuing to Lagos and was just a couple hours late. My bags were on that flight as they didn't make the flight I was on 2 days earlier.
Just curious........
Just curious........
07-04-2010, 03:00 PM
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One comment to start with. We could very quickly fly these jets. Give the CPS and Mesaba guys seniority numbers. ( No training required!)
If you want the CASM numbers that are close to true, go to:
Airline Financial Data
or the raw data.
BTS | Airline Financial Data Press Releases
google form 41 data.
If you want the CASM numbers that are close to true, go to:
Airline Financial Data
or the raw data.
BTS | Airline Financial Data Press Releases
google form 41 data.
07-04-2010, 03:03 PM
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What? Following the contract is not an easy solution? Gosh, you'd think it was in black and white or something...oh, wait, it is.
I seem to remember the company signed the contract as well, and it has "Agreement" written on the front, not "suggestions".
If they pooched it up, they can fix it without any more concessions on our part. That is part and parcel of the price tag that I and so many others gave up to ensure. I live up to my end of the bargain every day. I make the assumption that when they signed the contract, that they intend to as well.
Want to bring some aircraft on the property? No problemo, we'll work with you night and day. Some of the aircraft we already have pay rates for, but if you have one you'd like us to fly, let's sit down and we'll work something out. Need a little flex in the other fleets while we spool one up? I'm sure we have guys that wouldn't mind to fly a bit more.
Want us to invalidate the concessions we took to get the protection we DO have so you an get another pilot group to take over our flying, and smile while we do it? Go **** up a rope. Don't even ask. If fact, you've worn out your welcome for even asking. Go away and we'll see you in 2012.
Anything else on our part is playing the sucker.
I seem to remember the company signed the contract as well, and it has "Agreement" written on the front, not "suggestions".
If they pooched it up, they can fix it without any more concessions on our part. That is part and parcel of the price tag that I and so many others gave up to ensure. I live up to my end of the bargain every day. I make the assumption that when they signed the contract, that they intend to as well.
Want to bring some aircraft on the property? No problemo, we'll work with you night and day. Some of the aircraft we already have pay rates for, but if you have one you'd like us to fly, let's sit down and we'll work something out. Need a little flex in the other fleets while we spool one up? I'm sure we have guys that wouldn't mind to fly a bit more.
Want us to invalidate the concessions we took to get the protection we DO have so you an get another pilot group to take over our flying, and smile while we do it? Go **** up a rope. Don't even ask. If fact, you've worn out your welcome for even asking. Go away and we'll see you in 2012.
Anything else on our part is playing the sucker.
I read page after page of dissatisfaction with our contract right here. We have a lot of things we want improved, and the chance to get them whenever the company has to react to some new change to the market. Are you saying our MEC is incapable of grabbing opportunities to improve our contract when approached by the company?
07-04-2010, 04:48 PM
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These numbers are good for the most part and are generally compiled via GAAP. Would I say they are perfect? No way but they give us a ballpark in which to at least frame our reference.
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