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Old 06-29-2010, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
One thing also to note is this: A best practice is a moving target and can vary from perspective. The way you've always done it may or may not be best considering the culture you are in. This can be very difficult to accept, and that resistance has been seen primarily in the (and I quote) "problem children" in the 744.
Really interesting thing here. Did anyone notice? At the request for an example, I posted the issue, job titles and the initials of the people involved. The response? You're a whiner, baby, bed wetter, and we can't possibly believe you without the names and details of the letter.

Here we have a post where a fDAL guy posts what is bolded above. And I quote?? From whom? No titles initials or hints of who may have said this. But instead of demanding the same that was demanded of me, nothing but acceptance as if it were fact. I've read ahead a bit hoping that someone would at least question anything about this post, but nope. Just the following folks who used its quotes in posts of their own:

Originally Posted by Check Essential
^^^^^^^^ That ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Heard the same from another line check/training type guy.
At least Check Essential posts a title of who said it to him

Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Agreed. It is all in the approach.
Really disappointed in you ACL. As a moderator, I would have thought you would have noticed the lack of any referencing at all.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo
A complicating problem is the end of the Roberts award restrictions. They ended in 2006 but the last year or so has seen a big shakeup due to the change in work rules (captain augmentation) and the freighter pull down. Also, Delta does not have blockholder/reserve differentiation so senior pilots aren't stuck bidding reserve.
Don't even know what this means as none of it is true. There was almost no changes to relative positions after Roberts fences ended. But, whatever. Some people find it important to speak with authority about a situation they didn't even work in.

Anyone that is able to look at this fairly must see the glaring double standard in this one little example.

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Old 06-29-2010, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
How about moving on to a topic that is more fun. A week or so ago, I predicted a 2Q profit of $588 million based on the company's public disclosure. That would put them at about $400 million up for the year since they lost about $200 million in 1Q. If they make another $600 million in 3Q and stay flat for 4Q, that would give them a profit of $1 billion for the year.

If they make a billion then $150 million will go to profit sharing (15%). Pilots are about 1/3 of payroll so $50 million would go to pilots. Assuming a split of around 11,000 pilots that would make an average profit sharing check of $4,500 per pilot. Last time they paid the profit sharing check on Valentines Day.

It is much more fun to speculate on profit sharing. What say you?
How about profits big enough to zero out all long term debt, and raise our free cash balance to about 10 billion?

Too rosey ?

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Old 06-29-2010, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Keen,

We don't need names, dates or anything like that, but what exactly is DAL trying to make the 744 guys do that they don't want to do? I've heard some complaining about the break cycles, but nothing else. What were the LCAs so upset about that they had to threaten to quit?
Actually, none of the LCA's threatened to quit. They simply wrote what is essentially a "white paper" on their position and included quite a bit a data from numerous studies on fatigue and other issues. When the DAL folks read it and gave no reason as to why they didn't want to change the policy, the meeting did get heated (according to a number of the LCA's I've spoken with that were in the room), but stayed professional. Heated, but professional.

The short answer is that the DAL way of doing things has the guys taking breaks every two hours or so. Besides the obvious issue of flight deck crew members making multiple trips from the cockpit to the rest area, our guys had studies that showed this is not optimal for getting rested. The other area is the DAL policy of the same crew performing both the takeoff and the landing. Since most of the fDAL trips were over and backs, it worked out great. One crew made the takeoff and landing going over, and the other crew did it coming back. Much easier to stay current. Our trips on the 744 and A330 are 10, 11, 12 and 13 day trips where you have crew changes on every leg. This makes it much more difficult to stay current if you are unlucky enough to always be the junior crew while the senior crew makes the takeoff and the landing, then moves on. It's resulting in a huge increase in the need for crew members to get requaled in the sim. Our guys' concern was not only the increased cost of the unnecessary training, but the problem of crews' proficiency.

There are a few other issues (read security and safety related) that don't belong on a public forum, but that is the short version.

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Old 06-29-2010, 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Carl is probably the loudest whiner...
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Um, yes but, who is the biggest whino on this thread?
Um, yes but??

Ettu Brute...I mean FTB??

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Old 06-29-2010, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Ahh the coveted 744 capt ring!!!! Hey Carl can I have yours when you retire???
Sure. If you don't mind a little chlorine staining from fishing Baby Ruths out of the dang pool.

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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Dr Mr ACL,

May I call you A?

I am Mr Fernando Matobo, ESQ, and I have found you to be a relative of Mr Binzillion ACL, a banker from the Republic of Haiti. He has not been seen since the unfortunate earthquake of last year.

Sir, I'm writing you to see if you may be interested in recovering a portion of his estate

Mr Fernando Matobo ESQ
Wow! This could be the deal of a lifetime! How could we lose!

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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
All email has to be sent to LM first, so he can pre-screen it before sending it to an elected rep.
Blasphemer!!

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Old 06-29-2010, 03:09 AM
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The point is and will remain that throwing grenades here at DAL does not work well. No more no less

You can be disappointed in that statement.

I am aware of the issue and the statement holds true for all parties involved
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
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The point is and will remain that throwing grenades here at DAL does not work well. No more no less

You can be disappointed in that statement.

I am aware of the issue and the statement holds true for all parties involved
That may be your point, but could you answer my point please? For review, my point was that guys were asking me for detail after detail and still didn't believe it after I posted the detail. Clamp posts something with no reference other than "and I quote" and nobody questions it. Then people actually reference the post as if it was fact. You were one of them.

Do you really see no double standard there? The double standard is my point.

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31L is open again at JFK.
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