Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-26-2010, 04:25 AM
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Folks have pointed out several shortcomings with the "way we've always done it." You are so eager to defend it because if it was DAL, it must be good. Prime example...when we first shifted to the DAL performance software, many fNWA were saying carrying all this extra fuel is unwarranted. Not only are we burning an extra 2000k pounds of fuel per flight, but bumping off 5000+ pounds of cargo. This is costing DAL thousand$ per flight. This is STUPID, especially in an industry where margins are so tight! It was ID'd right away and the typical south answer....You run your APU too much, You need to single engine taxi, all you want to do is badmouth the south. What we want a better (more profitable) company to work for, but some are to stupid to listen....hence the frustration of Carl and others. With every statement he says, several of you pile on to beat up the messenger. Maybe at some point one could head the message. On with OPS VISINE!
06-26-2010, 04:42 AM
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06-26-2010, 04:45 AM
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There is a wall in the ATL domestic pilot lounge with all the extra revisions. That would be my recommendation for the best way to keep your manuals up to date between now and then. You can check the DeltaNet page for your fleet and print out the current revisions sheet to get your "shopping list".
06-26-2010, 04:48 AM
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It is a good platform that will work well when all of the supporting subsystems are brought up to speed.
06-26-2010, 04:54 AM
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ACL,
I cant find the post I was really going to answer. But, I think we are talking past each other on the SAP issue when in fact we agree.
My understanding of SAP comes from my brother in law, and he wasn't a fan as SAP isn't very flexible from my understanding.
As we are both saying, momma D has way to much $$ invested in it to trash it overnight. Because of SAP, things that "tie together" will have to be changed in chunks over large periods of time. So sad, as how reservations ties into gate agents which ties into baggage etc is going to be big bucks to take apart and put back together.
I cant find the post I was really going to answer. But, I think we are talking past each other on the SAP issue when in fact we agree.
My understanding of SAP comes from my brother in law, and he wasn't a fan as SAP isn't very flexible from my understanding.
As we are both saying, momma D has way to much $$ invested in it to trash it overnight. Because of SAP, things that "tie together" will have to be changed in chunks over large periods of time. So sad, as how reservations ties into gate agents which ties into baggage etc is going to be big bucks to take apart and put back together.
From what I have been told, the change Carl and others are screaming for will happen, but with everything ,we are a huge ship and to turn it take time and money.
06-26-2010, 05:10 AM
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Carl is frustrated by the obvious step back in technology, efficiency and automation. Instead of realizing there is a MUCH better way of doing things, he gets shouted out with LA LA LA LA LA LA ......
Folks have pointed out several shortcomings with the "way we've always done it." You are so eager to defend it because if it was DAL, it must be good. Prime example...when we first shifted to the DAL performance software, many fNWA were saying carrying all this extra fuel is unwarranted. Not only are we burning an extra 2000k pounds of fuel per flight, but bumping off 5000+ pounds of cargo. This is costing DAL thousand$ per flight. This is STUPID, especially in an industry where margins are so tight! It was ID'd right away and the typical south answer....You run your APU too much, You need to single engine taxi, all you want to do is badmouth the south. What we want a better (more profitable) company to work for, but some are to stupid to listen....hence the frustration of Carl and others. With every statement he says, several of you pile on to beat up the messenger. Maybe at some point one could head the message. On with OPS VISINE!
Folks have pointed out several shortcomings with the "way we've always done it." You are so eager to defend it because if it was DAL, it must be good. Prime example...when we first shifted to the DAL performance software, many fNWA were saying carrying all this extra fuel is unwarranted. Not only are we burning an extra 2000k pounds of fuel per flight, but bumping off 5000+ pounds of cargo. This is costing DAL thousand$ per flight. This is STUPID, especially in an industry where margins are so tight! It was ID'd right away and the typical south answer....You run your APU too much, You need to single engine taxi, all you want to do is badmouth the south. What we want a better (more profitable) company to work for, but some are to stupid to listen....hence the frustration of Carl and others. With every statement he says, several of you pile on to beat up the messenger. Maybe at some point one could head the message. On with OPS VISINE!
Your argument was good right up until your last sentence. There you lost all sympathy and credibility. Rock on brother.
06-26-2010, 05:12 AM
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Carl is frustrated by the obvious step back in technology, efficiency and automation. Instead of realizing there is a MUCH better way of doing things, he gets shouted out with LA LA LA LA LA LA ......
Folks have pointed out several shortcomings with the "way we've always done it." You are so eager to defend it because if it was DAL, it must be good. Prime example...when we first shifted to the DAL performance software, many fNWA were saying carrying all this extra fuel is unwarranted. Not only are we burning an extra 2000k pounds of fuel per flight, but bumping off 5000+ pounds of cargo. This is costing DAL thousand$ per flight. This is STUPID, especially in an industry where margins are so tight! It was ID'd right away and the typical south answer....You run your APU too much, You need to single engine taxi, all you want to do is badmouth the south. What we want a better (more profitable) company to work for, but some are to stupid to listen....hence the frustration of Carl and others. With every statement he says, several of you pile on to beat up the messenger. Maybe at some point one could head the message. On with OPS VISINE!
Folks have pointed out several shortcomings with the "way we've always done it." You are so eager to defend it because if it was DAL, it must be good. Prime example...when we first shifted to the DAL performance software, many fNWA were saying carrying all this extra fuel is unwarranted. Not only are we burning an extra 2000k pounds of fuel per flight, but bumping off 5000+ pounds of cargo. This is costing DAL thousand$ per flight. This is STUPID, especially in an industry where margins are so tight! It was ID'd right away and the typical south answer....You run your APU too much, You need to single engine taxi, all you want to do is badmouth the south. What we want a better (more profitable) company to work for, but some are to stupid to listen....hence the frustration of Carl and others. With every statement he says, several of you pile on to beat up the messenger. Maybe at some point one could head the message. On with OPS VISINE!
OK, this is got to stop. It is not about Operation Visine, or that we are so pro DAL we cannot see the issues. It is simple. It is about seeing the big picture, understanding that there are certain decision that are not the absolute best decisions, but the best decision given a set of facts. It is about seeing the bigger picture and accepting the facts that we as pilots do not have all of the facts to understand the decisions made. It is about trusting those that are in those positions (both company and union) that were part of the process to have made the best possible decision.
No computer system that could have worked and was a better platform was trashed for an old and outdated system just because. There is a bigger reason that they are not shouting from the tops of the the a/c tails telling us line pilots. Trust the process.
As for operation Visine. With any merger they keep leaders and to see if they can adopt a philosophy and still be effective. If this does not happen they are let go and they replace said individual with someone that can. My personal opinion is that DAL has gone above and beyond with trying to split all positions 50-50. There comes a time when getting people that will agree with leadership and go from there trumps trying to look fair. Not saying it is right but that is corporate America and happens with every merger around the world.
DAL was the surviving carrier and their way of doing business (esp flt ops) survived. It is apparent that it is their philosophy that has survived. It also is apparent that they want people that are willing to get behind it and go from there. Right or wrong it is what it is, and when DAL is bought by someone their philosophy will be the surviving one not our. It is not personal. It is just the corporate world.
DO not take this as an attack on the NWA history or way of doing business. It is just how the world works.
06-26-2010, 05:20 AM
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06-26-2010, 05:32 AM
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Alright all, in an attempt to turn this discussion a little away from griping about things over which we have no control. I attended the NYC base visit and basically will assume that most of the posters here keep their ears to the ground.
My ultimate takeaway was there was not a whole lot of NEW news. There was news that solidified some plans and nmbers. The base vist was by no means a waste of time.
Personally, I believe, and this is not investment advice, there is a rare opportunity to buy DAL stock for a reasonably large short term return. DYODD.
Has anyone heard whats going on at Delta....RE-FOCUS.
My ultimate takeaway was there was not a whole lot of NEW news. There was news that solidified some plans and nmbers. The base vist was by no means a waste of time.
Personally, I believe, and this is not investment advice, there is a rare opportunity to buy DAL stock for a reasonably large short term return. DYODD.
Has anyone heard whats going on at Delta....RE-FOCUS.
06-26-2010, 05:47 AM
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I promised you guys boobie pictures from my cruise. Here they are!
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