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06-24-2010, 08:19 PM
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Just to put the flight attendant discussion to rest (not to mention the who the world's best FO is) I give you the following.........when Stews were Stews and relief pilots were scared!
The High and the Mighty
Good night y'all.....
Ferd <-----no longer a Texan
The High and the Mighty
Good night y'all.....
Ferd <-----no longer a Texan
The truth Ferd, you say "Stews were Stews", you should note that except for DTW evidently, those same Stews are still Stews.
Just come on down for an ATL-caribbean day trip. You'll see.
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06-24-2010, 08:40 PM
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Ugh,
Okay since I reignited this food fight with three little words, I'll add some "stuff" I heard about scheduling and aircrew IT.
Scheduling staff shortages - I was told that right up until the last weeks before all pilots transitioned to the fDL system, some of the fNW schedulers said they were accepting new positions in ATL. Then at the last minute most of them changed their mind and bailed forcing DL to bascially hire pilot schedulers "off the street." I have no way of verifying this, but it was an ALPA source. This is not an attempt to defend the fDL ppl in charge of transition, it is merely what I was told.
Aircrew IT (and I'll throw in PARS/Worldflight) - Without rehashing the whole $AP issue, Worldflight was for the most part superior to FPS/AWABS/whatever the other modules are called. There are a few things in FPS that I like better, but not many. I think most people would no argue this point if it were not for the $AP gorilla. The crew scheduling, however, is a different story. Do I think the fNW system was better, definitely from a pilot and scheduler standpoint. Did it have the capability of working for a group as large as the two combined airlines? I was told NO, it did not and that in fact it was getting close to being maxxed out at fNW. I was NOT told if this was due to a lack of mainframe capacity or if it was a software issue. Again, I didn't work in IT so I could NOT verify this claim.
Since I mentioned Worldflight, I actually found a copy of a fNW flight plan to post next to a FPS flight plan. Somehow those pages from the Jan 2010 FOM revision magically stayed in my FOM rather than being discarded as directed.
Now I have to find a website to post excerpts from the two releases and flight plans side-by-side. FWIW there are a few things from FPS that I like, but I wish they would reformat the output from FPS into the Worldflight format.
The poor dispatchers are on their own as I see no help for them in sight. I fear they will all be bald by the end of the first snowstorm in Japan.
P.S. My comments about Operation Visine have nothing to do with the quality of the person picked to replace GB. It rather refers to the apparent attrition of the fNW culture/personnel from the Chain of Command in Flight Operations.
Okay since I reignited this food fight with three little words, I'll add some "stuff" I heard about scheduling and aircrew IT.
Scheduling staff shortages - I was told that right up until the last weeks before all pilots transitioned to the fDL system, some of the fNW schedulers said they were accepting new positions in ATL. Then at the last minute most of them changed their mind and bailed forcing DL to bascially hire pilot schedulers "off the street." I have no way of verifying this, but it was an ALPA source. This is not an attempt to defend the fDL ppl in charge of transition, it is merely what I was told.
Aircrew IT (and I'll throw in PARS/Worldflight) - Without rehashing the whole $AP issue, Worldflight was for the most part superior to FPS/AWABS/whatever the other modules are called. There are a few things in FPS that I like better, but not many. I think most people would no argue this point if it were not for the $AP gorilla. The crew scheduling, however, is a different story. Do I think the fNW system was better, definitely from a pilot and scheduler standpoint. Did it have the capability of working for a group as large as the two combined airlines? I was told NO, it did not and that in fact it was getting close to being maxxed out at fNW. I was NOT told if this was due to a lack of mainframe capacity or if it was a software issue. Again, I didn't work in IT so I could NOT verify this claim.
Since I mentioned Worldflight, I actually found a copy of a fNW flight plan to post next to a FPS flight plan. Somehow those pages from the Jan 2010 FOM revision magically stayed in my FOM rather than being discarded as directed.
Now I have to find a website to post excerpts from the two releases and flight plans side-by-side. FWIW there are a few things from FPS that I like, but I wish they would reformat the output from FPS into the Worldflight format.
The poor dispatchers are on their own as I see no help for them in sight. I fear they will all be bald by the end of the first snowstorm in Japan.
P.S. My comments about Operation Visine have nothing to do with the quality of the person picked to replace GB. It rather refers to the apparent attrition of the fNW culture/personnel from the Chain of Command in Flight Operations.
FWIW, I called scheduling 4 times today, no longer than 1 minute wait at 8am, 10am, 1pm, and 6pm. I had a DH and checked in on travelnet and delta.com and swapped my seat fwiw, thats nice.
06-24-2010, 09:30 PM
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Ugh,
Okay since I reignited this food fight with three little words, I'll add some "stuff" I heard about scheduling and aircrew IT.
Scheduling staff shortages - I was told that right up until the last weeks before all pilots transitioned to the fDL system, some of the fNW schedulers said they were accepting new positions in ATL. Then at the last minute most of them changed their mind and bailed forcing DL to bascially hire pilot schedulers "off the street." I have no way of verifying this, but it was an ALPA source. This is not an attempt to defend the fDL ppl in charge of transition, it is merely what I was told.
Aircrew IT (and I'll throw in PARS/Worldflight) - Without rehashing the whole $AP issue, Worldflight was for the most part superior to FPS/AWABS/whatever the other modules are called. There are a few things in FPS that I like better, but not many. I think most people would no argue this point if it were not for the $AP gorilla. The crew scheduling, however, is a different story. Do I think the fNW system was better, definitely from a pilot and scheduler standpoint. Did it have the capability of working for a group as large as the two combined airlines? I was told NO, it did not and that in fact it was getting close to being maxxed out at fNW. I was NOT told if this was due to a lack of mainframe capacity or if it was a software issue. Again, I didn't work in IT so I could NOT verify this claim.
Since I mentioned Worldflight, I actually found a copy of a fNW flight plan to post next to a FPS flight plan. Somehow those pages from the Jan 2010 FOM revision magically stayed in my FOM rather than being discarded as directed.
Now I have to find a website to post excerpts from the two releases and flight plans side-by-side. FWIW there are a few things from FPS that I like, but I wish they would reformat the output from FPS into the Worldflight format.
The poor dispatchers are on their own as I see no help for them in sight. I fear they will all be bald by the end of the first snowstorm in Japan.
P.S. My comments about Operation Visine have nothing to do with the quality of the person picked to replace GB. It rather refers to the apparent attrition of the fNW culture/personnel from the Chain of Command in Flight Operations.
Okay since I reignited this food fight with three little words, I'll add some "stuff" I heard about scheduling and aircrew IT.
Scheduling staff shortages - I was told that right up until the last weeks before all pilots transitioned to the fDL system, some of the fNW schedulers said they were accepting new positions in ATL. Then at the last minute most of them changed their mind and bailed forcing DL to bascially hire pilot schedulers "off the street." I have no way of verifying this, but it was an ALPA source. This is not an attempt to defend the fDL ppl in charge of transition, it is merely what I was told.
Aircrew IT (and I'll throw in PARS/Worldflight) - Without rehashing the whole $AP issue, Worldflight was for the most part superior to FPS/AWABS/whatever the other modules are called. There are a few things in FPS that I like better, but not many. I think most people would no argue this point if it were not for the $AP gorilla. The crew scheduling, however, is a different story. Do I think the fNW system was better, definitely from a pilot and scheduler standpoint. Did it have the capability of working for a group as large as the two combined airlines? I was told NO, it did not and that in fact it was getting close to being maxxed out at fNW. I was NOT told if this was due to a lack of mainframe capacity or if it was a software issue. Again, I didn't work in IT so I could NOT verify this claim.
Since I mentioned Worldflight, I actually found a copy of a fNW flight plan to post next to a FPS flight plan. Somehow those pages from the Jan 2010 FOM revision magically stayed in my FOM rather than being discarded as directed.
Now I have to find a website to post excerpts from the two releases and flight plans side-by-side. FWIW there are a few things from FPS that I like, but I wish they would reformat the output from FPS into the Worldflight format.
The poor dispatchers are on their own as I see no help for them in sight. I fear they will all be bald by the end of the first snowstorm in Japan.
P.S. My comments about Operation Visine have nothing to do with the quality of the person picked to replace GB. It rather refers to the apparent attrition of the fNW culture/personnel from the Chain of Command in Flight Operations.
Nosmo,
I guess you didn't read Carl's Post - Its was all the fault of bad decisions made by B.W.
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06-24-2010, 10:51 PM
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Not to change the subject, but are any other categories getting calls at 2:45 in the morning for an inverse assignment. Is there a way to turn this off in the middle of the night? This seems a bit ridiculous...
Thanks, fNWA guy.
Thanks, fNWA guy.
06-25-2010, 12:25 AM
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Give them cell phone number instead.
DAL does NOT have the same capability as fNW to add time zone info and/or "Don't call me after 10pm"
06-25-2010, 01:58 AM
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Just to put the flight attendant discussion to rest (not to mention the who the world's best FO is) I give you the following.........when Stews were Stews and relief pilots were scared!
The High and the Mighty
Good night y'all.....
Ferd <-----no longer a Texan
The High and the Mighty
Good night y'all.....
Ferd <-----no longer a Texan
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06-25-2010, 02:07 AM
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ACL.........it's a SAP problem from what I understand (I've had a long talk with my manufacturing Corp VP brother in law about what SAP is).
Are you trying to tell us that Delta is going to trash the millions they spent on SAP and buy something new? That I'll believe when I see it
Are you trying to tell us that Delta is going to trash the millions they spent on SAP and buy something new? That I'll believe when I see it
06-25-2010, 02:09 AM
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Here's the point: It wouldn't need updating if our state of the art systems had been adopted. But they weren't. They were discarded. That was a choice by DAL management and the integration team. Who was on the integration team? The very person that many here are describing as extremely talented.
You guys need to look past the desperate desire to defend things just because they were fDAL. This will NOT get better until the fDAL guys admit that integration was completed in a foolish and short sighted manner.
Carl
You guys need to look past the desperate desire to defend things just because they were fDAL. This will NOT get better until the fDAL guys admit that integration was completed in a foolish and short sighted manner.
Carl
06-25-2010, 02:13 AM
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You are exactly right Ferd. There is too much "Delta pride" to admit that they've made such an investment error in SAP. In the meantime, our customers get to see some very poor performance and we occupy the number one spot in customer complaints.
fDAL guys: In business, pride is BS - performance is everything.
Carl
fDAL guys: In business, pride is BS - performance is everything.
Carl
06-25-2010, 02:15 AM
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Ferd, I believe that management is hiring Delta pilots for these positions not former this or that.
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