Waves

And they called me a Rebel Rouser.

acl65pilot

Ok Johnso, Super, and the others from F-NWA that are effected by this DC issue; Did you vote Yes, or No on the PWA?

capncrunch

Side Question:
On the latest AE I was awarded SLC 320 and am scheduled to train in November, convert in December. On the AE coming in August, I would like to try for Seattle 767. Can I do this or am I seat locked for 24 months? I guess what I'm asking is can I receive a new/better award if I have not converted to my most recent award.

acl65pilot

Captn;
I do not believe so. Your seat lock as you will see in the AE section of DBMS starts at the date of award, not date of conversion.

capncrunch

If you want to get techinal, we had to board the ship that former Delta said yes to and started sailing away.

acl65pilot

I asked if you a NWA guy voted for the JPWA which clearly stated the DC would be raised over time. I am not getting into LOA 19. Trust me the NWA guys I know would have voted NO if they thought the JPWA stunk.

iaflyer

On the positive side, you are seat locked 24 months from being awarding the position, not conversion. So you're already a month into the seat lock.

Ferd149

ACL,

Who had time to read it? I know I voted yes because it really didn't matter, a no vote got us nothing. We weren't going to go back and re-look at things, so the NWA MEC just said we're voting on a "mature" contract that had more upside than downsides. But, I think you're seeing some of the buyer's remorse on here from time to time.

All we can do is hope for something better going forward in 2012.

Sink r8

Last time I looked at this issue, I went the full twelve rounds. My recollection was that the DC contribution rates become constant across the pilot group in 2012. There was also an issue with respect to anniversary dates and longevity, and there were a couple hundred pilots losing about $5,000 or so, but on an item that was pretty black and white in the contract. The individuals concerned are near the 12-year rate, and so by the time we could correct the problem in negotiations, noone would be affected.

But then, in the course of those twelve rounds, the senior-vs.-junior debate flared up again. There are a LOT of "dead-zoners" at Delta that believe they are entitled to some serious balance sheet repair when it comes to retirement. They have been pretty benevolent in letting this dog lie, and I think that's an example worth following.

But every once in a while (sigh) we forget this all over again, and we start down this road again. So you said: "...I'm not trying to divide anyone, but rather bring it to other people's attention so that we can ensure it's corrected NLT then the next contract...". And I say: to the best of my knowledge, it is already fixed at the end of the current contract.

Waves

To jab: Please refresh my memory on the FNWA 07/08 exclusion. The last thing I remember about that issue was pulling up the ladder. Just kidding of course. I’m all for equality and fairness. If it means getting something changed, then so be it. I spent way too many years (I think it was either 3 or 5) on a B scale. I know what inequality is. When we were on the B scale we were told that this allowed more pilots to be hired and if we weren’t on the B scale we probably wouldn’t have been hired at all. Smoke screens were blown up our arses. The truth was that the senior guys were not going to give a dime to us newbees. The old guys assured us that when we got to be senior it would all pay off. What a crock. IT NEVER WORKS OUT IN THE WASH. I also remember an Eastern Captain friend of mine losing his pension. I was sure glad that was never going to happen to me. Poor Bastard.