acl65pilot

Their seniority, not longevity. NWA generally hired dispatchers off the street so a guy with less longevity was holding better skeds than a guy that was an internal transfer at DAL. So they ratioed their "seniority" so that post integration they would hold a similar schedule to what they did at their pre-merger airline.

johnso29

I have ZERO beef with the SLI. But don't think it's fair that I get less DC because of a pension that I don't even get. Not to mention I'll get less then a newhire. How is that fair?

jabwmu

Also completely agree and wrote similiar to this in my comments section. I hope everyone else did too.

Sink r8

I suspect the answer is that the author forwarded it to make a point. CTRL-C; CTRL-V.

At least that better be the answer. I doubt DALPA is stupid enough to post this on their own. Unless, of course, it's some kind of disgruntled committee member that feel they were slighted somehow.

Either way, this discussion is crap. If a guy that lives in ATL isn't happy about a payraise and dropping the commute, and can only focus on his forecast of where he would have been in a hypothetical world in ten years, then [expletive deleted] him.

acl65pilot

Johnso, What I think does not matter. What mattes is what the NWA negotiating team thought was fair. If I had a beef it would be with them for selling you short. This is their part of the deal, or at least how it has been framed on here and other places.

My suggestion is that it be one of the items we get in the next LOA. I know it does not help "all" pilots but it helps with unity and that is key.

acl65pilot

I doubt that this was forwarded by alpa. As you say, Ctrl C, Ctrl V then send. FWIW, I beleive that ALPA has not even seen any of it. From the e-mail they saw 20% participation and extended it to make the survey scientific. In that regard, call all your buds and implore them to do it.

shiznit

OK. The most junior "4,5xx" is 135/200 on the DTW744B list for June.

The PBS actual line count for DTW744B in June is 147.

135 is Guaranteed a line......FAIL.




BTW....The next number below him that is holding an ATL position is ATLM88A.....202/473.....LINEHOLDER!!

(actually better percentage wise than his commute seat, not to mention $12/hr. more including intl. ovrd.)

Sink r8

We all agree that this isn't fair, but it is a short-lived problem. What isn't a short-lived problem is the seniority divide that could potentially resurface on this point. There are plenty of guys that can make very, very coherent arguments that they got screwed in terms of retirement. And each one of those is a little blow to the precious unity that might yield results when we negotiate. Each argument like this gets us one step closer to some sort of "matrix", or other mechanism to "rectify" everyone's retirement picture. And there isn't one such outcome out there that you or I, as fairly junior pilots, would like.

I suggest you quit complaining about what you get relative to a newhire, and focus on the difference between where you've been, and where you are. And please do that quickly, so we can focus on where we're going instead.

Ferd149

Come on sink.........it isn't crap!

I've always been thankful for the raise but neither of us is where we were or where we should be so lets don't pat ourselves too much.

I agree with Super, I have no beef with the SLI. As NewK and I have said numerous times, us '95 guys keep our mouths shut when the SLI comes up for good reasons.

But, everything else, while over the top, is true. I understand adopt and go and confuse the small number than the big number. But, you have to admit, the division of labor in this marriage has just $ucked. From procedures to bidding to uniforms to insurance (and the list goes on) you guys have never said "it's cool guys, we've got this one just relax".

Over time, I've come to believe "adopt and go" is just code for "let the NWA guys do it." I'm ok so far, but please don't blow sunshine up my buttocks.

Rant over!
Your Uncle Ferd

Waves

As a DAL South guy, I didn't move up one number in my seat, and I certainly don't expect to anytime soon. I crunched the seniority numbers right after the merger and percentage wise I stayed exactly the same within .02 percentile. So did all of my friends as well. I was actually quite surprised at how close I ended up to my original spot. With the Pan Am merger, it took me 2 years just to get my original DOH seniority number back. With Pan Am we integrated 752 pilots into the seniority list only to rapidly sell off their junky airplanes. Nice huh?

As I posted many months ago, and recalling from memory, only about 350 DAL guys retired early, not the 1500 the NWA's negotiating team indicated. To compensate, ALPA stapled something like 275 NWA's guys to the very top of the list, so this big NWA's pilot retirement windfall to the DAL south guys just doesn't exist.

News flash for this survey guy: EVERYONE'S quality of life has gone down. EVERYONE'S stress has gone up. EVERYONE'S paycheck has gone down. This guy apparently hasn't been paying attention to current events. The entire airline industry has been in the toilet for the past ten years. The merger didn't cause this, the economy, Leo Mullin, and the simultaneous dual bankruptcy did.