Mem9guy

So, how many do we have that are still on the property with this same mindset?

johnso29

DTW 320B called @ 0305 for an IA 2 day. As usual, they ran out of reserves.

all4114all

The company and the FAA divided your group when they opted to back the check airman of DAL that landed on the wrong runway in ATL in the same time frame that the NWA pilots overflew MSP.

Landing on the wrong runway is a (remote) possibility for any pilot, but so is the overfly.

Any pilot or knowledgeable aviation professional, would have gladly picked the MSP EAU tour, if they were sitting in back any day, vs the DAL check airman in control landing on the wrong runway. This is why it does not pass the smell test. (IMHO)

80ktsClamp

Hockey- This is what I was referencing, the name was originally different, and did not match up with a retired DL pilot.

Now that the spelling has been corrected, I most sincerely apologize for calling you out on this. I was wrong, and I am sorry for what I said.



That being said, that scum sucking scab needs his kneecaps taken out Teamster-style.

acl65pilot

Your facts are wrong on what you think occurred. I will not correct them, but some of what you just stated is incorrect. Also, who says the company and alpa did not back the 188 crew? There is little leverage with emergency revocation (of any kind), and then the inability to perform said job.

Remember that the 188 crew agreed to the revocation so that they could re-certify in 12 months. Look at what has been published and then look at how carefully worded the responses are. I am not going to state which I would have chosen, that is just ignorant.

Mesabah

You can thank the media for that response. If 60 minutes did a story about you extorting biscoffs from the flights, you'd be fired.

sailingfun

You have some really bad facts in your statement.
First the check airman had become sick and was not at the controls. He was in the back of the aircraft. The flight arrived at about 5:30AM trying to expedite the arrival because his condition was getting worse. They were given multiple runway changes in the last 15 minutes including a switch from 27L to 27R at 1500 feet. The taxiway in question had been written up multiple times as appearing to be a runway from the air because of the new LED lighting which appeared white not blue. The reports were spread out over a year. Tower failed to turn on the approach lights or ILS for 27R. There were several violations of procedures on the ATC side.
The final savings grace for the pilots was when the FAA duplicated the approach in the air and also lined up on the taxiway. The incident while serious without question had so many mitigating circumstances the FAA took no certificate action against either pilot. There was also minimal press coverage. The MSP overflight had extreme political and press issues and the FAA took very strong certificate action against both crew members. The issue by the way is still not over and I believe the FO will be back to work. The Captain made a choice to retire so in his case the issue may be over.

acl65pilot

Sailing, that about sums it up.

hockeypilot44

I got the same call. I didn't really appreciate it given the fact that I just finished a 4-day yesterday. I'm going to have to start turning my phone off at night. 3am phone calls are ridiculous. I think it's worse in DTW than other bases due to the high amount of commuters that won't put green slips in.

No big deal. Apology accepted. Like I said, I had some pretty reliable sources. I was confused when no one could find any record of him ever working at Delta. I was never told his name, just that he used to work at Delta so I didn't realize his name was spelled wrong either.

Ferd149

Exactly, like being asked which is worse.......being hit by a car or drowned.

I will say that landing on the taxiway could have happened to anyone based on the environmental factors. I would also argue that it would have been better if there HAD been traffic on the taxiway, as that would have made it easier to see (lights from aircraft) that it was in fact a taxiway.

Needless to say, we all need to say "by the grace of god go I" in both cases and bite thy tongue.

Just my opinion,
Ferd