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Old 06-10-2010, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
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Its the ol' Muhammad Ali "rope-a-dope" tactic against George Foreman. We go into STL (ropes) with WN, while only distracting them long enough for us to build up LGA, all the while tiring them with their build-up and competition in STL.

Brilliant analysis also NU.

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P.S. Extracted from Wiki - "In competitive situations other than boxing, rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one partly purposely puts itself in what appears to be a losing position, attempting thereby to become the eventual victor."
The 1990's airline version of this was "We will shrink to profitability."
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
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Vietnam joined Skyteam.
Not so fast. Rumors are rampant.
I heard Vietnam will be joining the PAC-10.
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:37 AM
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The thing about STL, and Nu's excellent analysis, is that we get to do something we've never done and that's come in as the "savior", stop laughing. It's like my pick up line in college: " you've tried the rest now try me." But SWA is there and if the worlds largest airline, for now, shows up it'll be very noticed. SWA gives you the lower 48, we're the airline that gives you the world and we think we love you... STL. Which is very different that the norm where SWA gets all the fanfare when they show up. The question is, how would SWA react? Is getting them to ramp up STL a way to bog them down.
I think I heard over at A.net (I troll over there for quotable quotes from the wannabees sometimes) that SWA has a number of operational problems at STL, and it's resulted in long waits for gates and some grumpy people.

Any rumors about STL may have something to do with that. Of course, STL has a number of "operational challenges" with respect to the runway configuration and design of the terminal, but I think some of those have been fixed.

Personally, I think I'd be way cool to start flexing our muscle domestically. I think I'd be REALLY cool if that meant a left seat for me in a DC-9, MD-88 or a C-Series.

I don't like international. I do like MSP-FAR, MSP-GFK, MSP-OMA, DTW-LAN, DTW-GRR and the like. It's how I'm wired.

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Old 06-10-2010, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
I don't like international. I do like MSP-FAR, MSP-GFK, MSP-OMA, DTW-LAN, DTW-GRR and the like. It's how I'm wired.

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Grand Forks, Great Falls, Grand Rapids...
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:56 AM
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:02 AM
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I guess its no longer a rumor if the execs were there!! There may be 3 million people there, but the place is a dud!!!
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by beer
I guess its no longer a rumor if the execs were there!! There may be 3 million people there, but the place is a dud!!!
Not saying this would necessarily be good or bad for us. But a couple of points about STL (based on my 8 years experience flying for TWA):

1. From what I understand, it is potentially a very lucrative airline market.

2. Geographically, it is pretty much smack dab in the middle of the country.

In the past, the runway configuration was definitely a problem for a big hub operation. But with the new runway, I think this would be better now.

Should be interesting...
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:18 AM
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Well, I'll be the first to hope for this to come true. All I need is a small little M88/90 base in STL. That's not too much to ask for is it? I'll even bid the -9 if they'd base pilots there.
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Old 06-10-2010, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
I think I heard over at A.net (I troll over there for quotable quotes from the wannabees sometimes) that SWA has a number of operational problems at STL, and it's resulted in long waits for gates and some grumpy people.

Any rumors about STL may have something to do with that. Of course, STL has a number of "operational challenges" with respect to the runway configuration and design of the terminal, but I think some of those have been fixed.

Personally, I think I'd be way cool to start flexing our muscle domestically. I think I'd be REALLY cool if that meant a left seat for me in a DC-9, MD-88 or a C-Series.

I don't like international. I do like MSP-FAR, MSP-GFK, MSP-OMA, DTW-LAN, DTW-GRR and the like. It's how I'm wired.

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I often commute on WN out of STL, and this is true. The number of late arrivals/departures has increased a lot over the last 2 years. It often results in late departures/mis-connects.
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