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06-09-2010, 09:27 AM
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06-09-2010, 09:28 AM
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I understand how the rule works which is why I'm asking the question. As a lineholder, it makes sense that PBS can build a schedule with 9 days on because you could have a 24 hour break between trips. What I don't understand is how PBS can build a schedule for a reserve pilot with more than six days on. If PBS built this schedule, would the schedulers go in there before the schedule is published and move my days off around to make it legal?
06-09-2010, 09:43 AM
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Well, if DAL doesn't consider long call reserve duty (because you have no telephone responsibilities), then this makes total sense. I understand now. Thanks for the help, everyone!
06-09-2010, 09:46 AM
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I actually got a call from scheds after 5 days of flying saying that would be my 24 hour break after that trip.
06-09-2010, 11:18 AM
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Great laundry service. Be careful about asking for starch. The last time I did the shirt could stand up by itself and took 4 washings at home to get it all out. Might try LIGHT starch and see if that works.
06-09-2010, 11:21 AM
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Whitlow has not changed. For a domestic flight, you have to be able to look back 24 hrs from the completion of any scheduled flight and find a legally scheduled rest period. (generally 8 or 9 hours)
Long call is not legal "duty" but it is also not legal "rest". You DO have telephone responsibilities on long call.
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The rule that comes into play if they are going to build 9 day blocks for domestic reserves is the "24 in 7" rule. A reserve can be on call for an unlimited number of consecutive days but you have to comply with that rule.
You must have been released from all duty and telephone responsibilities for 24 continuous hours at some point in the preceding 7 days prior to reporting for any domestic flight duty.
Scheduling could do that in any number of ways. Most likely they will start assigning 24 hours of "rest" after trips. You fly a 3 day to start your 9 days, then rest 24 hours, then have 5 days left. etc. etc. Also layovers count. They could also start releasing guys for 24 hours toward the beginning of the 9 day blocks when they are fat on "reserves available vs. reserves required".
Why they are doing this is the interesting question. Maybe they figure they will be splitting fewer 4 day trips this way. Fewer white slips and better reserve utilization saves them money.
06-09-2010, 11:25 AM
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Way to go MSP. We're going to catch a lot of crap for this mixup...
Delta sends Cleveland kid to Boston and Boston kid to Cleveland
The year of the customer... ya right.
Delta sends Cleveland kid to Boston and Boston kid to Cleveland
The year of the customer... ya right.
06-09-2010, 11:41 AM
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In by 1000 back by 1500(1600?) same day
You can get express service in the morning, I think its in by 0800 back by 1200, but don't quote me on that one. You will pay any excess costs over regular service.
If you don't do anything weird with your laundry requests, it should be direct billed to company without any interaction between you, the hotel or the company.
Bring 4 shirts and leave 2 in the laundry as "Keep" and swap them on every NRT layover (assuming you only have 2 legs between each NRT layover). Can do the same with skivvies unless you are one of those inside out types...
If you aren't flying Asia on your next trip, pick them all up on your last layover and take them home.
I recommend NO STARCH and folded (not on hangar)
Be sure to bring the laundry ladies some chocolate or little gifts every once in awhile and they will treat you (and other pilots) like kings.
Don't be surprised if they greet you by name the second or third time you see them in person.
06-09-2010, 11:43 AM
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06-09-2010, 11:52 AM
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You guys are getting confused.
Whitlow has not changed. For a domestic flight, you have to be able to look back 24 hrs from the completion of any scheduled flight and find a legally scheduled rest period. (generally 8 or 9 hours)
Long call is not legal "duty" but it is also not legal "rest". You DO have telephone responsibilities on long call.
-------------------------------------------
The rule that comes into play if they are going to build 9 day blocks for domestic reserves is the "24 in 7" rule. A reserve can be on call for an unlimited number of consecutive days but you have to comply with that rule.
You must have been released from all duty and telephone responsibilities for 24 continuous hours at some point in the preceding 7 days prior to reporting for any domestic flight duty.
Scheduling could do that in any number of ways. Most likely they will start assigning 24 hours of "rest" after trips. You fly a 3 day to start your 9 days, then rest 24 hours, then have 5 days left. etc. etc. Also layovers count. They could also start releasing guys for 24 hours toward the beginning of the 9 day blocks when they are fat on "reserves available vs. reserves required".
Why they are doing this is the interesting question. Maybe they figure they will be splitting fewer 4 day trips this way. Fewer white slips and better reserve utilization saves them money.
Whitlow has not changed. For a domestic flight, you have to be able to look back 24 hrs from the completion of any scheduled flight and find a legally scheduled rest period. (generally 8 or 9 hours)
Long call is not legal "duty" but it is also not legal "rest". You DO have telephone responsibilities on long call.
-------------------------------------------
The rule that comes into play if they are going to build 9 day blocks for domestic reserves is the "24 in 7" rule. A reserve can be on call for an unlimited number of consecutive days but you have to comply with that rule.
You must have been released from all duty and telephone responsibilities for 24 continuous hours at some point in the preceding 7 days prior to reporting for any domestic flight duty.
Scheduling could do that in any number of ways. Most likely they will start assigning 24 hours of "rest" after trips. You fly a 3 day to start your 9 days, then rest 24 hours, then have 5 days left. etc. etc. Also layovers count. They could also start releasing guys for 24 hours toward the beginning of the 9 day blocks when they are fat on "reserves available vs. reserves required".
Why they are doing this is the interesting question. Maybe they figure they will be splitting fewer 4 day trips this way. Fewer white slips and better reserve utilization saves them money.
Ok... so I can be scheduled for more than six days of reserve in a row, but scheduling will have to make sure I have a 24 hour break in there somewhere at some point. Right?
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