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Old 06-07-2010, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
No more bickering Johnso, we were just killing time waiting for you. Keenster made an appearance but was quickly dismissed.

Now, how about some Amish booty??


I just edited my Amish post cuz it actually linked to some naughty stuff....oooops!!!!
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:44 PM
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I just edited my Amish post cuz it actually linked to some naughty stuff....oooops!!!!
THAT's where it went. I went back to click on it and it was gone.
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Old 06-07-2010, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Keenster, the problem with YOUR mind set is that all you want is the way YOU used to do it. I happen to think we ARE better and moving in the right direction. Unfortunately for a few of my fellow fNWA brothers, you included, if it doesn't say Northwest it must suck. I firmly understand that there are growing pains and that we've come light years very quickly in merging the world's largest airline. What I'm totally sick of is guys making mountains out of mole hills, turf battles out of trivial BS, and trying to draw divides where none exist. I also happen to think that over time we will take the best of both sides...When you have to make shareholders, the FAA and the flying public happy over night, you choose the expedient option. We had the large majority of pilots, therefore the expedient route was predominately the way we (DAL) did business. Do I think that will remain? No, I don't. Do I care who is the fleet captain for the 320, fNWA or fDAL? No I don't. Pick your battles dude. This ain't one!
Could not be any further from what is really true. I am not one that has to have it the NWA way. Both side have good and bad things but so far the door has been slammed hard in our face. I really wish you could experience some of it with all due respect to you because you are probably a really good guy. You might just be a little amazed at a few things. I agree that things had to be done quickly. Now we will see about the looking at best practices. The track record that we have experienced so far does not bode well for making things better and tends to lean heavily at status quoe. Is it so wrong for us to want to make things better??? We seem to always get the above reply that we want the NWA way. Well I am here to tell you that I want a combination of the ways because you have some good things and we do also. It is that simple, but we can't even get our foot in the door to get a discussion going on. That is very frustrating to us. We are missing a golden opportunity here on a whole multitude of ideas that could make this company better. NWA had an equipment services manager that showed dal how he could save them 30 million a year on their equipment maintenance and purchase. He was really good and saved NWA a ton. Door slammed and fired. These are things that we see and do not like. Yes DAL bought us but DAL is not the keeper of all secrets. Sooner or later the opportunities will be lost because people like me , Carl, and Ferd are beat down and we will just be you average grunt pilot that could give a crap about the company and put in our time to get our check and dread working at a company that could have been!!!!!

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Old 06-07-2010, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by keenster
That's exactly why United almost bought the farm in SFO with the 744 and came within 50 feet of the saddle on departure with an engine failure. FAA made them go the NWA training and pracitices with currency to keep their certificates. Do you believe in safety man???? Nobody knows better how to train than the line pilot flying the line, but I guess when one get wrapped up some where killing a bunch of people you will just write if off as ops normal and those guys are really good instructors who have the company's and pilot's interest at heart of course safety being paramount. They are not out there doing the job. I rest my case.
Well safety is more than you dude. You guys were totally silent during the NW mechanics strike while scabs who NW dug up from the gutter were working on your airplanes most who they had to fire later because they were drunks or whatever. You know NW aside from having a top notch dispatch and meterology dept also had a top notch maintenance program. Did you know DL came over to ask NW for help. The NW ATL engine shop after the DL MD-88 had the uncontained engine failure that killed a woman and her son in PNS and asked at the time was the top JT-8 engine shop bar none and DL found out their practices were different from NW such as streching the bolts on engine assembly. But what did NW do? They dismantled the best engine shop going and shut ATL down. It's all about the money and screw safety. NW was on their way to being another Valujet no thanks to the pilot group but now it belongs to DL.

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Old 06-07-2010, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Stratosphere
Well safety is more than you dude. You guys were totally silent during the NW mechanics strike while scabs who NW dug up from the gutter where working on your airplanes most who they had to fire later because they were drunks or whatever. You know NW aside from having a top notch dispatch and meterology dept also had a top notch maintenance program. Did you know DL came over to the NW ATL engine shop after the DL MD-88 had the uncontained engine failure that killed a woman and her son in PNS and asked at the time was the top JT-8 engine shop bar none and DL found out their practices were different from NW such as streching the bolts on engine assembly. But what did NW do? They dismantled the best engine shop going and shut ATL down. It's all about the money and screw safety. NW was on their way to being another valujet but now DL took it over.
At least where we could control training of the pilots we did and our pilot training was some of the best. Talk to your buds going to 320 school house. We are talking pilot training here not maintenance. How many times you been on strike my man or has DAL been on strike? As far as being another value jet don't think so. You probably would not know the premerger cash positions of each airline. Any way old argument and don't want to go there not productive. I would have like to have supported the mechanics strike but that was not my call, just for the record.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Let's dump all your fleet captains and most all of your chief pilots and many of your alpa comittee guys and you just get over it with no problem dude.
Works for me. I couldn't even tell you the names of any of the fleet captains, know only two CPs, and maybe know a handful of ALPA guys. Go replace each and every one of them with an fNWA person, and I'll ignore them with the same enthusiasm as I do the guys there now.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Works for me. I couldn't even tell you the names of any of the fleet captains, know only two CPs, and maybe know a handful of ALPA guys. Go replace each and every one of them with an fNWA person, and I'll ignore them with the same enthusiasm as I do the guys there now.
My kind of guy we might just get along.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by keenster
Could not be any further from what is really true. I am not one that has to have it the NWA way. Both side have good and bad things but so far the door has been slammed hard in our face. I really wish you could experience some of it with all due respect to you because you are probably a really good guy. You might just be a little amazed at a few things. I agree that things had to be done quickly. Now we will see about the looking at best practices. The track record that we have experienced so far does not bode well for making things better and tends to lean heavily at status quoe. Is it so wrong for us to want to make things better??? We seem to always get the above reply that we want the NWA way. Well I am here to tell you that I want a combination of the ways because you have some good things and we do also. It is that simple, but we can't even get our foot in the door to get a discussion going on. That is very frustrating to us. We are mising a golden opportunity here on a whole multitude of ideas that could make this company better. NWA had an equipment services manager that showed dal how he could save them 30 million a year on their equipment maintenance and purchase. He was really good and saved NWA a ton. Door slammed and fired. These are things that we see and do not like. Yes DAL bought us but DAL is not the keeper of all secrets. Sooner or later the opportunities will be lost because people like me , Carl, and Ferd are beat down and we will just be you average grunt pilot that could give a crap about the company and put in our time to get our check and dread working at a company that could have been!!!!!
In my best SoCal Hispanic accent, "I grow tired...."
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Works for me. I couldn't even tell you the names of any of the fleet captains, know only two CPs, and maybe know a handful of ALPA guys. Go replace each and every one of them with an fNWA person, and I'll ignore them with the same enthusiasm as I do the guys there now.

Bingo.

Keen- go have a drink and come back when you've calmed down.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:19 PM
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A little info from the MEM base meeting, take it for what its worth:

Hiring will be 305 this year at a minimum. That includes recalls and flow ups, so about 130-140 off the street. They have 2000 applicants on file and value LORs. On the flip side, make sure you know them well, they will ask you about them.

MD90's: This getting them from where they can, SAS and JAL have been approached. they would like to have 60-70 of them. They have to be the right price though.

The DC-9-40's may be around till January, depends. They are going though. The -50's will be around till oil goes up again.

No new bases for the 744 or A330, yet. Same as the A320, although NY maybe possible soon.

The SEA 7ER base will grow, they just wanted to spread out the training a little, more slots in the next one.

They do want to standardize the 757 fleet interiors. They claim there are way to may layouts right now.

Almost all markets have shown growth, minus the Caribbean. Africa going like gang buster, mentioned Rawanda as possible.

ATL will be upgaged, DC-9's replacing RJs. they want to dump as many 50 seaters as they can. Still a market for them, but we have way too many of them.

NY DCA is up in the air still. Delta is actually all right with the DOT now, USAirways is the one who will have to make the decision.

787 is also up in the air, probably wait for the later version. The 777 deliveries this year are it, unless a big change with the international market.

They also mentioned no chance of a 100 seater or any new aircraft. they even mentioned the old NWA idea of buying used aircraft when other airlines go for the next gen of aircraft.

Well, that's all I remember. Again, take it for what its worth
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