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Old 06-07-2010, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
And I know many here are all about papering over divisions and just hoping they'll go away. There's no papering over what current DAL middle management is doing. I know you'd prefer not to talk about it, but I'd prefer even more if it wasn't happening.

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Papering over division?

Come on Carl, we're talking about management here. So we (labor) are suppose to retreat to some sort of divisive tribal mentality because middle management jobs are being synergized? We're suppose to get all bent out of shape over musical chairs on the fourth floor?

It appears that you are looking for any reason to find division and make a mountain out of a mole hill over what premerger butt is sitting in what office chair on the fourth floor.

Get over it already.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Here's another cultural difference. At NWA, we asked people to leave when it was time to "cycle." At DAL, you're ignored and your professional life is made miserable until you "get the hint." I just find that to be weasly. And as you know, I have a problem with rodents!

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Sorry 747 Captain,

WEASLY, isn't a word. If you were referring to the small carnivore of the genus Mustela, of the family Mustelidae, having a long slender body and feeding chiefly on small rodents, you might have more appropriately then, referred to the person as "weasel-like" instead of "weasly".

Thank you, as always, fly safe,

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Old 06-07-2010, 11:40 AM
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40 more MD90's from SAS
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute

It appears that you are looking for any reason to find division and make a mountain out of a mole hill over what premerger butt is sitting in what office chair on the fourth floor.
I can't speak for Carl, I can't type fast enough

But, the thing that bothers me about all of this is......best practices. There will be no one in a position of influence to to make our arguments. I guess I'll give up on checklist construction, flight planning, weight and balance or ACARS etc and just get what we get.

I'm not trying to be derisive, just feeling the beat down.

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Old 06-07-2010, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The other insulting part is memos that state how much we are part of the team, but the actions speak of just the opposite. Another concern. But like I say, DAL management was the surviving management. They can do whatever they want. And they are.

Carl
Carl-
This trivial shuffling of management pilots is "insulting" to you? Really?
You need to get out more.
Considering the size and speed of this merger, the team is actually functioning pretty well.
That 747 cockpit must be like some sort of 1980s red book echo chamber.
You guys are frozen in time. The rest of the airline has moved on.
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Old 06-07-2010, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
40 more MD90's from SAS
From Wikipedia, so always DYODD but its hard to screw it up too much:
(I did edit for the Hello and China Eastern that DAL bought)

In August 2009, a total of 109 MD-90 aircraft (all variants) were in airline service, including:Not sure how SAS has 40 out of the world's supply unless they are on a bigger buying spree than DAL has been in the past year. Blue1 is a feeder for SAS and is getting 717's and retiring the MD-90's, it might be that we are getting the 5 that they operate as the 717's come on line.

(I surmise the 717's are going to come from the fleet of previously Midwest birds.)

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Old 06-07-2010, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Reroute
Papering over division?

Come on Carl, we're talking about management here. So we (labor) are suppose to retreat to some sort of divisive tribal mentality because middle management jobs are being synergized? We're suppose to get all bent out of shape over musical chairs on the fourth floor?

It appears that you are looking for any reason to find division and make a mountain out of a mole hill over what premerger butt is sitting in what office chair on the fourth floor.

Get over it already.
You're not listening. Please re-read below.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Here's another cultural difference. At NWA, we asked people to leave when it was time to "cycle." At DAL, you're ignored and your professional life is made miserable until you "get the hint." I just find that to be weasly. And as you know, I have a problem with rodents!

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Old 06-07-2010, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Gearjerk
Sorry 747 Captain,

WEASLY, isn't a word. If you were referring to the small carnivore of the genus Mustela, of the family Mustelidae, having a long slender body and feeding chiefly on small rodents, you might have more appropriately then, referred to the person as "weasel-like" instead of "weasly".

Thank you, as always, fly safe,

GJ
I stand corrected. And I thought I knew rodents cold!

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Old 06-07-2010, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I can't speak for Carl, I can't type fast enough

But, the thing that bothers me about all of this is......best practices. There will be no one in a position of influence to to make our arguments. I guess I'll give up on checklist construction, flight planning, weight and balance or ACARS etc and just get what we get.

I'm not trying to be derisive, just feeling the beat down.

Ferd
You've learned well Grasshopper!

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Old 06-07-2010, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Carl-
This trivial shuffling of management pilots is "insulting" to you? Really?
You need to get out more.
Considering the size and speed of this merger, the team is actually functioning pretty well.
That 747 cockpit must be like some sort of 1980s red book echo chamber.
You guys are frozen in time. The rest of the airline has moved on.
You're not listening either. Please read below.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Here's another cultural difference. At NWA, we asked people to leave when it was time to "cycle." At DAL, you're ignored and your professional life is made miserable until you "get the hint." I just find that to be weasly. And as you know, I have a problem with rodents!

Carl
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