Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-06-2010, 01:33 PM
Gets Weekends Off
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Well, that's good news. I got a totally different answer when I asked the question a few weeks ago. I guess my next check just got a little bigger than I expected...sweet!
06-06-2010, 01:37 PM
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Generally, training is paid at your previous rate.
New pay rate starts on the day you are converted.
They often do "mid-month conversions". ie= if you finish training on Nov 15th, they can convert you on the 16th and give you an IOE on the 17th. It will appear as MMC on your schedule.
It can also happen that you convert before you are even done with training. (occasionally before you even start training) They do that because of the seniority rules for conversions and because it is cheaper than pay protecting other pilots senior or junior to you. Its a rare good deal. Just like a paid vacation. Doesn't happen as often as it used to because the contract now gives them a 60 day buffer for conversions out of seniority.
On your 2nd question:
Once you set foot in the schoolhouse for 737 training, your M88 qual goes away. You will not go back to fly the M88.
One more detail -- if you convert mid-month or otherwise haven't been qualified to bid under PBS on your new jet, scheduling will give you your choice of a reserve line or a blank regular line.
New pay rate starts on the day you are converted.
They often do "mid-month conversions". ie= if you finish training on Nov 15th, they can convert you on the 16th and give you an IOE on the 17th. It will appear as MMC on your schedule.
It can also happen that you convert before you are even done with training. (occasionally before you even start training) They do that because of the seniority rules for conversions and because it is cheaper than pay protecting other pilots senior or junior to you. Its a rare good deal. Just like a paid vacation. Doesn't happen as often as it used to because the contract now gives them a 60 day buffer for conversions out of seniority.
On your 2nd question:
Once you set foot in the schoolhouse for 737 training, your M88 qual goes away. You will not go back to fly the M88.
One more detail -- if you convert mid-month or otherwise haven't been qualified to bid under PBS on your new jet, scheduling will give you your choice of a reserve line or a blank regular line.
06-06-2010, 01:39 PM
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What Carl is saying is correct...... I am over in Asia and nosed around some talking with a couple LCA that are close to Steve. He is not returning to line flying just because he wants to fly the line. Ask yourself this, does DAL management really think a 777 captain is best suited for the 744 fleet captain position or are they looking for someone they can control?
06-06-2010, 01:41 PM
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What Carl is saying is correct...... I am over in Asia and nosed around some talking with a couple LCA that are close to Steve. He is not returning to line flying just because he wants to fly the line. Ask yourself this, does DAL management really think a 777 captain is best suited for the 744 fleet captain position or are they looking for someone they can control?
I doubt that the 4th floor boys weren't listening but the past 12 months was a massive effort to get to SOC. Now the effort is in streamlining and reducing training costs. The Fleet Capt is very different from the FNWA concept of Fleet Capt. No Standards department (LCA or line issues) are involved and the Chief Line Check Pilots serve to be the go-between between the Fleet Capt and the Fleet Standards.
06-06-2010, 01:41 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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OK, you have a problem with color examples. I'll rephrase. Delta is not interested in having any former NWA pilots in management positions. Their lives are made miserable and nothing they say is listened to. Eventually they get the hint and either retire or return to the line. Trust me, that is the new Delta's loss.
The "ethnic cleansing" is almost complete, so the airline can continue battling the Amish for technical superiority.
Carl
The "ethnic cleansing" is almost complete, so the airline can continue battling the Amish for technical superiority.
Carl
the Amish in this picture now can, through their ACARS, determine while still inbound where their next outbound horse stall is before they even arrive and since they're just deadheading and not driving the horses, they booked themselves the window seat in the exit rows. Those Amish, they're such show boating *******s.
Hopefully Cohbia is right and we're not about to add MSP, MEM and DTW to the list of the existing malcontent bases of JFK, LAX, DFW, SLC, CVG, MIA... I'll stop. Let's raise a beer, and cokes for ACL and I, and hope its for the best.
06-06-2010, 01:44 PM
Works Every Weekend
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Intl override is $6 for capt and $4 for FOs.
In contract 2000 it was $8 and $6.
Contract 2000 "night pay" was $15/hr.
Now its zero.
Guys actually used to bid for all nighters. Imagine that.
Last edited by Check Essential; 06-06-2010 at 01:56 PM.
06-06-2010, 01:47 PM
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(typically that's whenever you're done training, but there can be some exceptions)
You will get Christmas off if you're in school. They shut down the sims and classrooms.
06-06-2010, 01:49 PM
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Check;
Good reality check. Thanks for depressing me. I was recently reminded of the pay differences between previous contracts and now after requesting and receiving the paperwork DALPA sent to the PBGC. My w-2 was higher from 99-04 than now. Now I remember why I work two jobs.
Good reality check. Thanks for depressing me. I was recently reminded of the pay differences between previous contracts and now after requesting and receiving the paperwork DALPA sent to the PBGC. My w-2 was higher from 99-04 than now. Now I remember why I work two jobs.
06-06-2010, 02:06 PM
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Yep, every time I have flown an international trip the override is above my base pay of 70 hrs a month. It is not much but it is there.
06-06-2010, 02:07 PM
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Check;
Good reality check. Thanks for depressing me. I was recently reminded of the pay differences between previous contracts and now after requesting and receiving the paperwork DALPA sent to the PBGC. My w-2 was higher from 99-04 than now. Now I remember why I work two jobs.
Good reality check. Thanks for depressing me. I was recently reminded of the pay differences between previous contracts and now after requesting and receiving the paperwork DALPA sent to the PBGC. My w-2 was higher from 99-04 than now. Now I remember why I work two jobs.
The loss of night pay was huge.
Last edited by Check Essential; 06-06-2010 at 02:47 PM.
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