Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-04-2010, 09:26 AM
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Some people just aren't satisfied unless they aren't satisfied.
Wow. First, they issue a phone poll to get pilot input. Then, they offer an online poll with more opportunity for pilot input. Do you need the MEC officers to come to your house personally and ask you what you want? Will that be enough to make you happy? Have you offered suggestions to the LEC/MEC/P2P/Communications Committee to come up with better ways to accurately gauge pilot sentiment?
I know this might come as a shock, but you can send your LEC reps email at any time and give input on anything you want? AND there is no limit on the number of words! (Do you also understand that if you write too much in a single webform, it reduces the efficacy your message?)
It is pretty clear that the MEC has directed the appropriate committees to start collecting more information about our wants/needs for the upcoming negotiations.
If a large majority of pilots complete the survey, they can get a valid results from the large sample size and we will see more activity of this nature. Very likely it will be much more targeted to specific subject matters, allowing better input from the pilots and better information to be gathered for use in negotiations. Free-text doesn't allow for nearly as accurate polling results, but knowing the areas that are important will enable specific polling in the "areas of emphasis" which can be then be tailored much better to reflect the things we think are important.
You want the MEC to listen to us; make sure 12000 pilots complete that survey.
Wow. First, they issue a phone poll to get pilot input. Then, they offer an online poll with more opportunity for pilot input. Do you need the MEC officers to come to your house personally and ask you what you want? Will that be enough to make you happy? Have you offered suggestions to the LEC/MEC/P2P/Communications Committee to come up with better ways to accurately gauge pilot sentiment?
I know this might come as a shock, but you can send your LEC reps email at any time and give input on anything you want? AND there is no limit on the number of words! (Do you also understand that if you write too much in a single webform, it reduces the efficacy your message?)
It is pretty clear that the MEC has directed the appropriate committees to start collecting more information about our wants/needs for the upcoming negotiations.
If a large majority of pilots complete the survey, they can get a valid results from the large sample size and we will see more activity of this nature. Very likely it will be much more targeted to specific subject matters, allowing better input from the pilots and better information to be gathered for use in negotiations. Free-text doesn't allow for nearly as accurate polling results, but knowing the areas that are important will enable specific polling in the "areas of emphasis" which can be then be tailored much better to reflect the things we think are important.
You want the MEC to listen to us; make sure 12000 pilots complete that survey.
Good points, but you're missing mine. By limiting the free text they aren't getting the input to the MEC. The reps do take e-mails and I've sent them several but am concerned that many of these don't make it to the MEC.
You can make a poll say whatever you want by limiting the questions. The free text is an opportunity to communicate to the leadership without the filter of the rep.
I'm happy with some things but the communication sucks! This is a step in the right direction but one step does not a long march make.
I agree, we need to get all to fill out the survey, not just those of us on APC or for that matter the DALPA forums.
06-04-2010, 09:37 AM
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if I'm not mistaken, when it comes to wind turbines the coal and nuclear power plants that back them up have to cover 100% of the wind turbines output to the grid 100% of the time since they cannot fluctuate power at the plants and cannot risk a lack of power when the wind stops.
Wind turbines also have a nasty habit of not being able to provide enough power in the summer, icing up in the winter (guess 100 years of aviation and prop ice didn't sway the OEMs to put de-ice systems on the blades), slaughtering birds year round and making people who live near them go mad because of its horrific sound. Off of Martha's Vineyard they were deemed too ugly until a Senator recently passed and now they're on their way in.
Its a give and take.
As to independence from foreign oil, that'd be great, we can start by drilling closer to the shore where the oil is easier to get to then the artifical requirement to go way out into the deep waters of the gulf. Thats if of course indpendence from foreign oil is really the goal...
I'm going to look for a source for that 100% power 100% of the time...
Wind turbines also have a nasty habit of not being able to provide enough power in the summer, icing up in the winter (guess 100 years of aviation and prop ice didn't sway the OEMs to put de-ice systems on the blades), slaughtering birds year round and making people who live near them go mad because of its horrific sound. Off of Martha's Vineyard they were deemed too ugly until a Senator recently passed and now they're on their way in.
Its a give and take.
As to independence from foreign oil, that'd be great, we can start by drilling closer to the shore where the oil is easier to get to then the artifical requirement to go way out into the deep waters of the gulf. Thats if of course indpendence from foreign oil is really the goal...
I'm going to look for a source for that 100% power 100% of the time...
Ironman had a small power source that he built in a CAVE!
06-04-2010, 09:51 AM
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My guess is not many travel transcontinental by train. The shortest trip via Amtrak NY-LA is 67 hours and goes through DC and Chicago. It's $387. The cheapest was $310 and only stops in Chitown. Go figure
Amtraks website touts increased ridership from DFW to Oak city. Over 80k riders last year. That trip takes 9 hours and costs $35. Most likely way below costs. BTW, it only takes 3hrs 23min according to google to drive from station to station. In my Honda that's less than half a tank of gas.
This is our future if the greenies get their way.
Amtraks website touts increased ridership from DFW to Oak city. Over 80k riders last year. That trip takes 9 hours and costs $35. Most likely way below costs. BTW, it only takes 3hrs 23min according to google to drive from station to station. In my Honda that's less than half a tank of gas.
This is our future if the greenies get their way.
I'm personally tired of the airline industry being the proverbial toilet bowel for the government.
06-04-2010, 10:08 AM
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Court rules in USAPA's favor.
Aren't you guys happy we are a Big Happy Family at DAL? 
The battle at USAirways East vs. West continues...
The Ninth Circuit has ruled in USAPA's favor in the Addington case on ripeness grounds. The case has been remanded to Judge Wake with instructions to dismiss the case. The ruling is being reviewed by Legal now; more information will follow.
The battle at USAirways East vs. West continues...
The Ninth Circuit has ruled in USAPA's favor in the Addington case on ripeness grounds. The case has been remanded to Judge Wake with instructions to dismiss the case. The ruling is being reviewed by Legal now; more information will follow.
06-04-2010, 10:22 AM
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Aren't you guys happy we are a Big Happy Family at DAL?
The battle at USAirways East vs. West continues...
The Ninth Circuit has ruled in USAPA's favor in the Addington case on ripeness grounds. The case has been remanded to Judge Wake with instructions to dismiss the case. The ruling is being reviewed by Legal now; more information will follow.
The battle at USAirways East vs. West continues...
The Ninth Circuit has ruled in USAPA's favor in the Addington case on ripeness grounds. The case has been remanded to Judge Wake with instructions to dismiss the case. The ruling is being reviewed by Legal now; more information will follow.
Agree with you on rest. There by the grace of God...
Nu
06-04-2010, 10:29 AM
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Aren't you guys happy we are a Big Happy Family at DAL?
The battle at USAirways East vs. West continues...
The Ninth Circuit has ruled in USAPA's favor in the Addington case on ripeness grounds. The case has been remanded to Judge Wake with instructions to dismiss the case. The ruling is being reviewed by Legal now; more information will follow.
The battle at USAirways East vs. West continues...
The Ninth Circuit has ruled in USAPA's favor in the Addington case on ripeness grounds. The case has been remanded to Judge Wake with instructions to dismiss the case. The ruling is being reviewed by Legal now; more information will follow.
The saga continues......
I truly wonder if this airline will survive. The moral has to be horrible, with many of the Easties just waiting for it to die.
06-04-2010, 10:29 AM
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If Parker has his way, we could still be a part of it. Personally I think he's off the deep end talking about still being able to merge with with us now, or United/CAL.
06-04-2010, 10:33 AM
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if I'm not mistaken, when it comes to wind turbines the coal and nuclear power plants that back them up have to cover 100% of the wind turbines output to the grid 100% of the time since they cannot fluctuate power at the plants and cannot risk a lack of power when the wind stops.
Wind turbines also have a nasty habit of not being able to provide enough power in the summer, icing up in the winter (guess 100 years of aviation and prop ice didn't sway the OEMs to put de-ice systems on the blades), slaughtering birds year round and making people who live near them go mad because of its horrific sound. Off of Martha's Vineyard they were deemed too ugly until a Senator recently passed and now they're on their way in.
Its a give and take.
As to independence from foreign oil, that'd be great, we can start by drilling closer to the shore where the oil is easier to get to then the artifical requirement to go way out into the deep waters of the gulf. Thats if of course indpendence from foreign oil is really the goal...
I'm going to look for a source for that 100% power 100% of the time...
Wind turbines also have a nasty habit of not being able to provide enough power in the summer, icing up in the winter (guess 100 years of aviation and prop ice didn't sway the OEMs to put de-ice systems on the blades), slaughtering birds year round and making people who live near them go mad because of its horrific sound. Off of Martha's Vineyard they were deemed too ugly until a Senator recently passed and now they're on their way in.
Its a give and take.
As to independence from foreign oil, that'd be great, we can start by drilling closer to the shore where the oil is easier to get to then the artifical requirement to go way out into the deep waters of the gulf. Thats if of course indpendence from foreign oil is really the goal...
I'm going to look for a source for that 100% power 100% of the time...
People just don't want to believe in thermodynamics. Wind, tidal and all the other pie-in-the-sky plans just don't have the energy density to make it work, have such a marginal power output that you NEVER recover contstruction costs, or have other, hidden problems.
There is a LOT of pull in different directions when it comes to the envrionement. The communist/socialist wing of the greenies want total governement control, because, well, that's what they believe in, and they want us all to live in concrete rabbit hutches like they do in most of Europe.
The REAL bunny huggers...the dyed in the wool tree spiking resort burners are just plain anarchists....probably because they think it impresses girls more than pulling lattes at Starbucks for $6.25/hr.
The protesters (nuke, oil, coal, fill in the blank) are protesting because it's more interesting than being at their place of unemployment on mondays-fridays.
The establishment greenies are there for the money. Al Gore and others of his ilk stand to make a New York Mint from the whole carbon credit scheme. Why ANYONE believes anything any of these people say when they stand to make a pile of cash out off of the rest of us is beyond me.
The future is fusion with fission as a standby till we get there. It's going to take a pile of cash to do and it's going to be a LONG road, but it IS doable, and it's the only thing that will take us into the future and get us off this rock.
Nu
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06-04-2010, 10:45 AM
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While I have no dog in that fight, (I have friends on both sides) I am concerned about USAPA getting away with reversing a binding arbitration award. If the precedent is created, how will we ever solve grievances if the other party can now sue to have binding arbitrations reversed?
How could that affect a UAL/CAL seniority award? UAL has about 1,400 guys furloughed and historically, a furloughed pilot has never been put ahead of an active pilot in a merger?
How could that affect a UAL/CAL seniority award? UAL has about 1,400 guys furloughed and historically, a furloughed pilot has never been put ahead of an active pilot in a merger?
06-04-2010, 10:49 AM
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Heyas FtB,
People just don't want to believe in thermodynamics. Wind, tidal and all the other pie-in-the-sky plans just don't have the energy density to make it work, have such a marginal power output that you NEVER recover contstruction costs, or have other, hidden problems.
There is a LOT of pull in different directions when it comes to the environment. The communist/socialist wing of the greenies want totally government control, because, well, that's what they believe in, and they want us all to live in concrete rabbit hutches like they do in most of Europe.
The REAL bunny huggers...the dyed in the wool tree spiking resort burners are just plain anarchists....probably because they think it impresses girls more than pulling lattes at Starbucks for $6.25/hr.
The protesters (nuke, oil, coal, fill in the blank) are protesting because it's more interesting than being at their place of unemployment on mondays-fridays.
The establishment greenies are there for the money. Al Gore and others of his ilk stand to make a New York Mint from the whole carbon credit scheme. Why ANYONE believes anything any of these people say when they stand to make a pile of cash out off of the rest of us is beyond me.
The future is fusion with fission as a standby till we get there. It's going to take a pile of cash do and it's going to be a LONG road, but it IS doable, and it's the only thing that will take us into the future and get us off this rock.
Nu
People just don't want to believe in thermodynamics. Wind, tidal and all the other pie-in-the-sky plans just don't have the energy density to make it work, have such a marginal power output that you NEVER recover contstruction costs, or have other, hidden problems.
There is a LOT of pull in different directions when it comes to the environment. The communist/socialist wing of the greenies want totally government control, because, well, that's what they believe in, and they want us all to live in concrete rabbit hutches like they do in most of Europe.
The REAL bunny huggers...the dyed in the wool tree spiking resort burners are just plain anarchists....probably because they think it impresses girls more than pulling lattes at Starbucks for $6.25/hr.
The protesters (nuke, oil, coal, fill in the blank) are protesting because it's more interesting than being at their place of unemployment on mondays-fridays.
The establishment greenies are there for the money. Al Gore and others of his ilk stand to make a New York Mint from the whole carbon credit scheme. Why ANYONE believes anything any of these people say when they stand to make a pile of cash out off of the rest of us is beyond me.
The future is fusion with fission as a standby till we get there. It's going to take a pile of cash do and it's going to be a LONG road, but it IS doable, and it's the only thing that will take us into the future and get us off this rock.
Nu
The USN has used Nuke power safely for over 60 years but we haven't ordered a civilian plant in something like 30 years (1970s) and I am really hoping that they can make fusion possible. The rest is just like our terminal in JFK - putting lipstick on the pig.
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