Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-24-2010, 07:12 AM
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No ped use in aircraft, I know, but I'm sure a good iPhone video with the brakes on at the gate of late arriving and dancing rampers might get things fixed. If it were me though, I'd be showing it to dalpa only and letting them move ut forward. I don't want anyone to know it was me or get me for ped use when I'm trying to do them a favor since those ped warnings in the bulletins evidently were the one and only warnings, evidently.
PED- performance enhancing drugs or personal electronic equipment? They never did say did they?
PED- performance enhancing drugs or personal electronic equipment? They never did say did they?
05-24-2010, 07:28 AM
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I'd bet the same cameras that record our beacon use also record the dancing rampers.
05-24-2010, 07:40 AM
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I was trying to read a few pages and see if I saw it, but when does that next AE come out? When it does will one be able to tell where the new hires will be going just from the vacancies? Thanks guys. tying to keep up with the news....without having to read 4000 pages
05-24-2010, 07:47 AM
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Heyas,
Mostly DTW runs pretty well. About %10 of the time you'll need to call for a park job.
Outbounds, OTOH, run very smooth. They've been very good about the paperwork issue, and no one has said "boo" about waiting for the numbers.
FWIW, MSP is about the same. Expect to wait on game day when the Vikings, Packers, Timberwolves or whoever else is playing.
MEM was really the only exception. That place runs pretty well. In the past, it ran like clockwork.... you'd be hooked up to AC and electric practically as the parking brake was set, and you'd be sat down infront of your Interstate BBQ before you could say "boo". MEM is still my favorite place...they'll never get that BBQ smell out of the terminal untill they knock it down. You smell it right from the time they open the cabin door...mmmmm....
As for the APU thing, yea, you guys have a point. There is some past policy issues with this, but suffice to say, the rampers still take a running APU as a "don't plug us in" signal. Even calling into ops for a plug in results in a, shall we say, a tepid response.
Plugging in the AC is even worse, and I notice that compliance with this is pretty poor, even at DAL stations. Quite frankly, APU Sheriff or not, I'm not going to let my Pax bake. It takes a LONG time to cool down a DC-9 on the best of days, and if you don't have external A/C and you wait 5 minutes before push to fire up the APU, then you'll cook until you start down at your destination.
Flew a trip with more DAL airplanes than NW last time around. Still amused by the fDAL response to the 753, though. We were coming down the jetway to meet the outbound crew, and they were "man, this is the long one, here is the gou...oh, wait, you guys are fNW...never mind". All done with smiles and good nature, though.
Nu
Mostly DTW runs pretty well. About %10 of the time you'll need to call for a park job.
Outbounds, OTOH, run very smooth. They've been very good about the paperwork issue, and no one has said "boo" about waiting for the numbers.
FWIW, MSP is about the same. Expect to wait on game day when the Vikings, Packers, Timberwolves or whoever else is playing.
MEM was really the only exception. That place runs pretty well. In the past, it ran like clockwork.... you'd be hooked up to AC and electric practically as the parking brake was set, and you'd be sat down infront of your Interstate BBQ before you could say "boo". MEM is still my favorite place...they'll never get that BBQ smell out of the terminal untill they knock it down. You smell it right from the time they open the cabin door...mmmmm....
As for the APU thing, yea, you guys have a point. There is some past policy issues with this, but suffice to say, the rampers still take a running APU as a "don't plug us in" signal. Even calling into ops for a plug in results in a, shall we say, a tepid response.
Plugging in the AC is even worse, and I notice that compliance with this is pretty poor, even at DAL stations. Quite frankly, APU Sheriff or not, I'm not going to let my Pax bake. It takes a LONG time to cool down a DC-9 on the best of days, and if you don't have external A/C and you wait 5 minutes before push to fire up the APU, then you'll cook until you start down at your destination.
Flew a trip with more DAL airplanes than NW last time around. Still amused by the fDAL response to the 753, though. We were coming down the jetway to meet the outbound crew, and they were "man, this is the long one, here is the gou...oh, wait, you guys are fNW...never mind". All done with smiles and good nature, though.
Nu
05-24-2010, 08:10 AM
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05-24-2010, 08:26 AM
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I've been to DTW a handful of times already ... in fact I'm writing from the long layover. I have had similar situations with the ground crews not showing up to meet the aircraft. And when they finally do, they take their time. In one instance, they danced, yes danced, for a few moments before casually walking to their stations. I hope our airline can fix this type of stuff.
05-24-2010, 08:33 AM
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I can also second the previous poster's comments on MEM. I was just there on my last rotation and we never received air despite us calling several times. I kept the APU running.
This isn't a fnwa bash. We have LGA and JFK ... both cesspools in my opinion. I too blame management as I feel they've hired all the wrong individuals for these jobs. The same can be said for the ATL ramp controllers. Was anyone there last night? ATL was in meltdown mode on a Sunday ... no weather ... no IROPs. Absolutely amazing. But that's what we get for operating the World's busiest airport.
05-24-2010, 08:35 AM
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Nothing new in DTW. I have always considered it a failure of Middle Management as they seem to have allowed this behavior to become the norm.
Another ongoing issue that never seems to get fixed is plugging in air to DC-9's at the gates. I was in MEM, ORD, and LIT yesterday, all well over 80 degrees and we never once had air plugged in to the aircraft at the gates. They hammer us about APU usage, but don't seem to be able to make the people doing the "underwing work" do their part. May just be a case of "getting what we pay for" in labor force.
Another ongoing issue that never seems to get fixed is plugging in air to DC-9's at the gates. I was in MEM, ORD, and LIT yesterday, all well over 80 degrees and we never once had air plugged in to the aircraft at the gates. They hammer us about APU usage, but don't seem to be able to make the people doing the "underwing work" do their part. May just be a case of "getting what we pay for" in labor force.
Another issue I've seen is that the MD-88s have their external-air port forward of the wing, and it's easy to roll out the hose and plug it in. On the DC-9 the port is way back below the engines, and several of the former DAL South gates don't have a long enough hose to reach it. The solution is a portable unit, but many places don't have those either.
05-24-2010, 08:35 AM
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Everyone was watching the Season Finale of "Lost!"
05-24-2010, 08:36 AM
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Another issue I've seen is that the MD-88s have their external-air port forward of the wing, and it's easy to roll out the hose and plug it in. On the DC-9 the port is way back below the engines, and several of the former DAL South gates don't have a long enough hose to reach it. The solution is a portable unit, but many places don't have those either.
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