Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-28-2008, 04:58 PM
#3801
Pog Ma Hoin
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 7ER B
Posts: 208
I CHOOSE to commute to work. Just because I CHOOSE to commute doesn't mean I should receive special privileges. Is your privilege to commute more important than an employees right to non rev based on seniority? I think only a few self centered pilots would answer yes to that question.
12-28-2008, 05:39 PM
#3802
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,357
Because bases open/close and the flying changes many times over a career. It's ridiculous for the company to punish those who do not move their home/family and leave their friends each time a base opens/closes or the flying changes.
Priority should go to those getting to/from work.
Priority should go to those getting to/from work.
12-28-2008, 05:52 PM
#3803
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
Bingo! This is the correct answer. With an estimated 70% of NWA pilots being commuters that are about ready to move into some of the Delta hubs I think an ironclad commuter policy is essential. As CC mentions, between mergers, base closures, equipment changes its not fair or reasonable to have pilots completely moving their families every several years. I have three family members who fly for NWA, one who endured multiple mergers and had they moved each time these changes occured it would have royally screwed the kids and family each time.
You are correct here with the cost of moving. I had this very discussion with a chief pilot once (long story, I got charged for 1 of the only 2 times, in 8 years I've used the program). He hit me with how I could move to base, and I reminded him that commuters save the company millions probably per year. The company can quickly move flying at their whim, and we will just commute and follow the flying. If they had to pay for the moves, they couldn't be as "nimble".
Ferd
12-28-2008, 06:05 PM
#3804
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: LAX ERA
Posts: 3,457
Coors (love the screen name by the way),
I've heard this argument numerous times, mostly from old NWA guys. It was the Republic guys (old west coast Hughes or deep Southern guys) who were uprooted and brought the commuter culture. Most of us help out guys going to work, even if they are from other companies and we have time, I'm sure you do too.
Calling in honest is just helping out a guy in a bad situation. He was probably on his primary shot (jumpseat/open seats), but due to mx or a late inbound he is caught.
As I've said in another post, I've used it twice in about 7 or 8 years, both due to mx cancellations. It's a great stress reliver as most of us are "responsible" commuters who don't push full jets or bad weather. In both of my situations, no nonrevs would have gotten on anyway.
Cheers,
Ferd
I've heard this argument numerous times, mostly from old NWA guys. It was the Republic guys (old west coast Hughes or deep Southern guys) who were uprooted and brought the commuter culture. Most of us help out guys going to work, even if they are from other companies and we have time, I'm sure you do too.
Calling in honest is just helping out a guy in a bad situation. He was probably on his primary shot (jumpseat/open seats), but due to mx or a late inbound he is caught.
As I've said in another post, I've used it twice in about 7 or 8 years, both due to mx cancellations. It's a great stress reliver as most of us are "responsible" commuters who don't push full jets or bad weather. In both of my situations, no nonrevs would have gotten on anyway.
Cheers,
Ferd
Last edited by Ferd149; 12-28-2008 at 06:14 PM.
12-28-2008, 07:00 PM
#3805
Pog Ma Hoin
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: 7ER B
Posts: 208
Coors (love the screen name by the way),
I've heard this argument numerous times, mostly from old NWA guys. It was the Republic guys (old west coast Hughes or deep Southern guys) who were uprooted and brought the commuter culture. Most of us help out guys going to work, even if they are from other companies and we have time, I'm sure you do too.
Calling in honest is just helping out a guy in a bad situation. He was probably on his primary shot (jumpseat/open seats), but due to mx or a late inbound he is caught.
As I've said in another post, I've used it twice in about 7 or 8 years, both due to mx cancellations. It's a great stress reliver as most of us are "responsible" commuters who don't push full jets or bad weather. In both of my situations, no nonrevs would have gotten on anyway.
Cheers,
Ferd
I've heard this argument numerous times, mostly from old NWA guys. It was the Republic guys (old west coast Hughes or deep Southern guys) who were uprooted and brought the commuter culture. Most of us help out guys going to work, even if they are from other companies and we have time, I'm sure you do too.
Calling in honest is just helping out a guy in a bad situation. He was probably on his primary shot (jumpseat/open seats), but due to mx or a late inbound he is caught.
As I've said in another post, I've used it twice in about 7 or 8 years, both due to mx cancellations. It's a great stress reliver as most of us are "responsible" commuters who don't push full jets or bad weather. In both of my situations, no nonrevs would have gotten on anyway.
Cheers,
Ferd
12-28-2008, 07:23 PM
#3808
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: Kickin’ Back
Posts: 6,971
Pineapple,
Just curious how many of your friends who earn six figures got their moves paid for by the company they worked for at the time? I'm sure you would see alot more moves if the company paid for them.
I don't think any one is asking for priority on every commute. This is strictly a no sh!t back up that, if the company has coverage for the trip, will not be given. (At least that is my understanding from what I've read.)
It seems to me that this is a good policy to protect the operation.
Denny
Just curious how many of your friends who earn six figures got their moves paid for by the company they worked for at the time? I'm sure you would see alot more moves if the company paid for them.
I don't think any one is asking for priority on every commute. This is strictly a no sh!t back up that, if the company has coverage for the trip, will not be given. (At least that is my understanding from what I've read.)
It seems to me that this is a good policy to protect the operation.
Denny
12-28-2008, 10:57 PM
#3809
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
Posts: 6,844
Well its been 5 times since 2001.
I CHOOSE to commute to work. Just because I CHOOSE to commute doesn't mean I should receive special privileges. Is your privilege to commute more important than an employees right to non rev based on seniority? I think only a few self centered pilots would answer yes to that question.
I CHOOSE to commute to work. Just because I CHOOSE to commute doesn't mean I should receive special privileges. Is your privilege to commute more important than an employees right to non rev based on seniority? I think only a few self centered pilots would answer yes to that question.
I hope I don't have to point out to you that these base closures and openings occured thru no fault or input from any pilot, they were just good/bad management decisions.
If there is anything out there that can possibly help any pilot, you should be for it. In this instance, we spend enough time away from home as it is, so any policy to ease our minds and allow us to spend a few more hours with our families should be kept.
The policy is great and I have never had to use it. But, it has allowed myself and many other old NWA pilots to commute with ease. Its amazing that you suggest that pilots move to where the company has its bases so they don't have to "choose" to commute.
Well to that I say, I'll pick up the family and kids and move anywhere you want me to when the company pays me the equivilent of what airline pilots were making in the 1970s', when our spouses didn't have to work to make the ends meet. Unfortunately, today's airline pilot salary requires that your spouse work to supplement the family income so you can send the kids to college and pay for your healthcare and plan for a retirement (BEFORE 65!!!!).
Many of our pilots have spouses who make more than them. Should they move too? So, if you pay attention to us old NWA guys, we are telling you that the call in honest policy is a good thing. It is rarely used, but it offers us a somewhat stress free commute. It saves the company money from having to pay out increased sick pay and it allows the company to save their reserves. What more do you need?
This discussion, among many others, makes me want to ask some of you "Real Delta Pilots" if you are always going to reject EVERYTHING that was not part of the Delta culture before the merger? I mean, if you are fighting the call in honest policy now, if we had merged in the mid 90's , would you have been against even having the jumpseat available to us at all? At least Red Book guys will admit that Republic brought some good policies to NWA in 1986. Some of you guys are holding on to everything as pre merger is "Holy Delta" and if we didn't do it that way it must have been wrong -- even at your own expense. Hello Coors, you commute!!!
Snap out of it. Pick any two flights that will get you to work in time for check in, then make it to the airport in time for the first one. It's as easy as pie.
Let it go. Stop being so rigid. Change can be a good thing. Embrace it.
New K Now
Last edited by newKnow; 12-28-2008 at 11:03 PM.
12-28-2008, 11:21 PM
#3810
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,357
Dude, are you serious? Ask our pilots (NWA) who moved to SEA, and HNL and LAX and BOS -- because we had bases there -- if they chose to commute. Yes, we had ALL Of those as bases, within the last 20 years. (While SEA is a base now, originally it opened then closed then opened then closed again.)
I hope I don't have to point out to you that these base closures and openings occured thru no fault or input from any pilot, they were just good/bad management decisions.
If there is anything out there that can possibly help any pilot, you should be for it. In this instance, we spend enough time away from home as it is, so any policy to ease our minds and allow us to spend a few more hours with our families should be kept.
The policy is great and I have never had to use it. But, it has allowed myself and many other old NWA pilots to commute with ease. Its amazing that you suggest that pilots move to where the company has its bases so they don't have to "choose" to commute.
Well to that I say, I'll pick up the family and kids and move anywhere you want me to when the company pays me the equivilent of what airline pilots were making in the 1970s', when our spouses didn't have to work to make the ends meet. Unfortunately, today's airline pilot salary requires that your spouse work to supplement the family income so you can send the kids to college and pay for your healthcare and plan for a retirement (BEFORE 65!!!!). Many of our pilots have spouses who make more than them. Should they move too?
So, if you pay attention to us old NWA guys, we are telling you that the call in honest policy is a good thing. It is rarely used, but it offers us a somewhat stress free commute. It saves the company money from having to pay out increased sick pay and it allows the company to save their reserves. What more do you need?
This discussion, among many others, makes me want to ask some of you "Real Delta Pilots" if you are always going to reject EVERYTHING that was not part of the Delta culture before the merger? I mean, if you are fighting the call in honest policy now, if we had merged in the mid 90's , would you have been against even having the jumpseat available to us at all? At least Red Book guys will admit that Republic brought some good policies to NWA in 1986. Some of you guys are holding on to everything as pre merger is "Holy Delta" and if we didn't do it that way it must have been wrong -- even at your own expense. Hello Coors, you commute!!!
Snap out of it. Pick any two flights that will get you to work in time for check in, then make it to the airport in time for the first one. It's as easy as pie.
Let it go. Stop being so rigid. Change can be a good thing. Embrace it.
New K Now
I hope I don't have to point out to you that these base closures and openings occured thru no fault or input from any pilot, they were just good/bad management decisions.
If there is anything out there that can possibly help any pilot, you should be for it. In this instance, we spend enough time away from home as it is, so any policy to ease our minds and allow us to spend a few more hours with our families should be kept.
The policy is great and I have never had to use it. But, it has allowed myself and many other old NWA pilots to commute with ease. Its amazing that you suggest that pilots move to where the company has its bases so they don't have to "choose" to commute.
Well to that I say, I'll pick up the family and kids and move anywhere you want me to when the company pays me the equivilent of what airline pilots were making in the 1970s', when our spouses didn't have to work to make the ends meet. Unfortunately, today's airline pilot salary requires that your spouse work to supplement the family income so you can send the kids to college and pay for your healthcare and plan for a retirement (BEFORE 65!!!!).
Many of our pilots have spouses who make more than them. Should they move too? So, if you pay attention to us old NWA guys, we are telling you that the call in honest policy is a good thing. It is rarely used, but it offers us a somewhat stress free commute. It saves the company money from having to pay out increased sick pay and it allows the company to save their reserves. What more do you need?
This discussion, among many others, makes me want to ask some of you "Real Delta Pilots" if you are always going to reject EVERYTHING that was not part of the Delta culture before the merger? I mean, if you are fighting the call in honest policy now, if we had merged in the mid 90's , would you have been against even having the jumpseat available to us at all? At least Red Book guys will admit that Republic brought some good policies to NWA in 1986. Some of you guys are holding on to everything as pre merger is "Holy Delta" and if we didn't do it that way it must have been wrong -- even at your own expense. Hello Coors, you commute!!!
Snap out of it. Pick any two flights that will get you to work in time for check in, then make it to the airport in time for the first one. It's as easy as pie.
Let it go. Stop being so rigid. Change can be a good thing. Embrace it.
New K Now
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