Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-16-2010, 12:20 PM
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05-16-2010, 12:26 PM
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Is it usually about two weeks?
05-16-2010, 12:28 PM
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05-16-2010, 12:31 PM
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Super, this is the question we're trying to answer, right? Whether this was legal for a domestic pilot? I'm wondering how you get to 9 days of reserve in a row? PBS can't build you a line to more than 6 days and if you go from one month to the next it should've taken that into account, right or wrong?
Now if you had them roll your days off then okay, that needs to be looked at.
There is this on page 23-41 of the PWA:
11. A reserve pilot who flies on an X-day due to an IA, GS or reroute will be given nine
hours free of duty upon his release at the completion of his rotation.
a. His X-day(s) will begin immediately following such nine-hour period and will
continue until he has received a period of 24 hours free of duty for each interrupted
and remaining X-day in his scheduled X-day block.
b. If the remaining days in the bid period are insufficient to contain the X-day(s), the
pilot will be granted an additional day(s) off under Section 23 S. 16.
Now if you had them roll your days off then okay, that needs to be looked at.
There is this on page 23-41 of the PWA:
11. A reserve pilot who flies on an X-day due to an IA, GS or reroute will be given nine
hours free of duty upon his release at the completion of his rotation.
a. His X-day(s) will begin immediately following such nine-hour period and will
continue until he has received a period of 24 hours free of duty for each interrupted
and remaining X-day in his scheduled X-day block.
b. If the remaining days in the bid period are insufficient to contain the X-day(s), the
pilot will be granted an additional day(s) off under Section 23 S. 16.
You can't answer it without seeing the schedule.
And, yes, DAL does give you a 24hr break in 7 domestically - or at least they used to. It may not be at home.
05-16-2010, 12:35 PM
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I've got to bail Super, but download this from Deltapilots.org: CA 09-12.
The MEC put this together and its really helpful. I can hit CTRL+F and type in key words and search not only the PWA but When Scheduling Calls to TWGs to CA's and so on. And whenever something like a Contract Awareness document references the PWA then you click on the reference and it takes you to the source document. I've learned a lot with this puppy.
I made a copy of the table of contents even though it doesn't have one. So I had to make my own.
This of course ruins the remote, minute and impossible possibility that I could be considered smart and a go to guy.
Truthfully, I'd rather be a clearing house then a know it all and if the MEC wants to put out massive 1170 page 11MB documents on a PDF then I will play with it.
POOL TIME!
The MEC put this together and its really helpful. I can hit CTRL+F and type in key words and search not only the PWA but When Scheduling Calls to TWGs to CA's and so on. And whenever something like a Contract Awareness document references the PWA then you click on the reference and it takes you to the source document. I've learned a lot with this puppy.
I made a copy of the table of contents even though it doesn't have one. So I had to make my own.
This of course ruins the remote, minute and impossible possibility that I could be considered smart and a go to guy.
Truthfully, I'd rather be a clearing house then a know it all and if the MEC wants to put out massive 1170 page 11MB documents on a PDF then I will play with it. POOL TIME!
05-16-2010, 12:49 PM
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Super, this is the question we're trying to answer, right? Whether this was legal for a domestic pilot? I'm wondering how you get to 9 days of reserve in a row? PBS can't build you a line to more than 6 days and if you go from one month to the next it should've taken that into account, right or wrong?
05-16-2010, 12:56 PM
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05-16-2010, 12:58 PM
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05-16-2010, 12:58 PM
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You guys can do it all you want but if I get in that position I'm not doing it unless I have official documentation from the union and the FAA that it's not against the regs like it was for us under nwa and how it was at my last airline. It's in the FARs that I posted above plain and simple. DAL is trying to say what it considers duty and what it doesn't which is wrong. Nwa was cheap as could be but they at least followed the FAA regs. I don't see why you guys are trying to argue this on the companys behalf? 
This quote is straight from the Scheduling Alert, 10-01 which was sent out in early April:
The requirement to be relieved of all duty for 24 hours in any seven consecutive days applies to all pilots except an international four-man crew. The seven consecutive days are considered to be calendar days, while the 24 hours may be any 24 consecutive hours, i.e., not necessarily a calendar day, and may occur on a layover.
Important note: This is a flight limitation. A pilot may fly for six days and train or deadhead on the seventh day. A reserve pilot may be on call for any number of consecutive days, but must have been released from telephone responsibilities for at least 24 consecutive hours at some point in the past seven days prior to reporting for domestic flight duty. This is not true for international flight duty.
Important note: There is no requirement to place a day of rest on the seventh consecutive on-call day if no 24 hour rest in the past seven days can be found. As long as a pilot has 24 hours rest in seven days prior to reporting for domestic flight duty he is legal. When needed, such rest is placed on the pilot’s line at the time that a domestic trip is assigned. This has the effect of providing him at least 24 hours notice to a domestic reserve flying assignment if he cannot look back and find 24 hours rest in the preceding seven days.
What part of that isn't clear? I know that it isn't the way the NWA did it, but this is my fifth airline, and each airline has their own interpretation of the FARs. (not this specific FAR, I'm talking in general).
05-16-2010, 01:27 PM
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