Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-14-2010, 04:06 PM
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Look, let me speak for the entire group on what we want on C2012. Throw out the need to aim high or be pragmatic, throw out the comparisons to LUV, especially given their pay for training system and business model that seems to be having issues, forget other Skyteam comparisons, they're foreign carriers, and forget AMR and U-CAL.
What we want for C2012 can be boiled down to 3 things and I'll keep it simple and include everyone and achieve what we lost as a group a long time ago.
We want to be OVERPAID, UNDERWORKED and OVERSEXED.
And we will determine when those things have happened.
Ya'll can thank me later.
-FTB, inspired by New
What we want for C2012 can be boiled down to 3 things and I'll keep it simple and include everyone and achieve what we lost as a group a long time ago.
We want to be OVERPAID, UNDERWORKED and OVERSEXED.
And we will determine when those things have happened.
Ya'll can thank me later.
-FTB, inspired by New
05-14-2010, 04:07 PM
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I'm sure this is no surprise, but I could not disagree with you more. You obviously have bought into the idea that pilot costs are a make or break thing to an airline. I don't believe they are. How much of the price of a typical airline ticket is attributable to pilot costs? I'll bet it's not a whole lot more than the fancy cup of coffee many people buy in the terminal before they get on their flight.
I don't spend a lot of time on this board. Maybe the predominant thinking here is like yours. But I'm not ready to give up. And it has been rare that I have flown with or known another pilot who is. I haven't forgotten how hard we all had to work to achieve success in this profession. I haven't forgotten all the sacrifices we and our families made along the way. I think the value of this profession that had been established for decades is absolutely appropriate for the level of expertise, aptitude, experience, professionalism, career risk, and responsibility we have. I think we have been sold a bill of goods and, as evidenced by your post, some of us have bought into it. Bottom line, I want people representing me who have not given up on the historical, long established value of this profession.
I don't spend a lot of time on this board. Maybe the predominant thinking here is like yours. But I'm not ready to give up. And it has been rare that I have flown with or known another pilot who is. I haven't forgotten how hard we all had to work to achieve success in this profession. I haven't forgotten all the sacrifices we and our families made along the way. I think the value of this profession that had been established for decades is absolutely appropriate for the level of expertise, aptitude, experience, professionalism, career risk, and responsibility we have. I think we have been sold a bill of goods and, as evidenced by your post, some of us have bought into it. Bottom line, I want people representing me who have not given up on the historical, long established value of this profession.
05-14-2010, 04:23 PM
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05-14-2010, 04:41 PM
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There are many way to get the compensation we want.
Satch;
I beleive that with the consolidation that UAUA-CAL see as necessary, and AMR will be forced to do, we will see margins in the 7-9% range over the next few years.
Why?
Simple, the big four will be strong enough with lean enough balance sheets to rationally compete and fight off ultra low cost start ups.
Setting your sights low will deliver results akin to POS96.
If you do that, you better be able to fill each and every pilots 401K up every year with alternate compensation or it will get real ugly. Our company is entering a period of decent profitability, we need to; 1) allow a rational return on each shareholder investment and 2) a restoration or whatever you want to call it on our investment we made in 1113C. That does not mean setting our sights low out of a fear of failure.
Satch;
I beleive that with the consolidation that UAUA-CAL see as necessary, and AMR will be forced to do, we will see margins in the 7-9% range over the next few years.
Why?
Simple, the big four will be strong enough with lean enough balance sheets to rationally compete and fight off ultra low cost start ups.
Setting your sights low will deliver results akin to POS96.
If you do that, you better be able to fill each and every pilots 401K up every year with alternate compensation or it will get real ugly. Our company is entering a period of decent profitability, we need to; 1) allow a rational return on each shareholder investment and 2) a restoration or whatever you want to call it on our investment we made in 1113C. That does not mean setting our sights low out of a fear of failure.
05-14-2010, 04:45 PM
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Is it true that we dumped KLM for catering and cleaning contracts in AMS?
Not a very nice thing to do to our partner in SkyTeam. Hope we don't **** em off.
Not a very nice thing to do to our partner in SkyTeam. Hope we don't **** em off.
05-14-2010, 05:33 PM
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05-14-2010, 05:44 PM
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05-14-2010, 05:49 PM
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05-14-2010, 05:54 PM
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Interesting.
As the market in general appears to be rolling over, DAL stock was up 3.7% on 1.5 times its normal volume. It also reclaimed its 50 day moving average and is nearing the top of its Bollinger and the middle of the upper half of its Keltner channel.
In contrast, all of the other airlines have were down over the session today.
This follow through today comes after a high volume day on Wednesday with significant gains. Suggests perhaps institutional buying.
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TheManager.
As the market in general appears to be rolling over, DAL stock was up 3.7% on 1.5 times its normal volume. It also reclaimed its 50 day moving average and is nearing the top of its Bollinger and the middle of the upper half of its Keltner channel.
In contrast, all of the other airlines have were down over the session today.
This follow through today comes after a high volume day on Wednesday with significant gains. Suggests perhaps institutional buying.
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TheManager.
Well stated and all true. Amazing performance today despite the overall markets tapping of resistance levels and compared to aerospace in general.
Market in general next week should be bullish based on the post market institutional buying, and the fact that the DOW and S+P are above their 50 and 200 day MA. DAL will hopefully outperform. FAS should be nicer yet.
DYODD no recomendations here.
05-14-2010, 06:01 PM
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