Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-14-2010, 02:40 PM
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All right, I'm going to say something controversial now. Big shock, huh?
Restoration is a pipe dream. The world has changed, the market has changed, our profession has changed. To constantly look to the past and yearn for what was and will never be again is a pipe dream.
We must look forward and attain the highest compensation for our times, not some golden age. Our labor market is subject to many forces and laws that have radically changed since when most of you started this job. It is not 1980, or 1988, or 1992, or 2000 for that matter. It is 2010 and we have a completely different set of conditions that define what level of compensation we are able to achieve.
Put away the pitch forks, i'm not talking about acquiescing at our current level. We can make significant gains and set a new standard for OUR times. First we must understand the things Alfa posed. Then we have to break the shackles of the past and stop judging our success by comparing to the past. We can't turn back the clock.
Restoration is a pipe dream. The world has changed, the market has changed, our profession has changed. To constantly look to the past and yearn for what was and will never be again is a pipe dream.
We must look forward and attain the highest compensation for our times, not some golden age. Our labor market is subject to many forces and laws that have radically changed since when most of you started this job. It is not 1980, or 1988, or 1992, or 2000 for that matter. It is 2010 and we have a completely different set of conditions that define what level of compensation we are able to achieve.
Put away the pitch forks, i'm not talking about acquiescing at our current level. We can make significant gains and set a new standard for OUR times. First we must understand the things Alfa posed. Then we have to break the shackles of the past and stop judging our success by comparing to the past. We can't turn back the clock.
Wow. Really? Why don't you be more specific as to the differences that seperate us and our Sky Team partners that preclude us from aspiring to their rates? While you're at it you might as well compare and contrast LUV rates to ours as you know that will be the next ?
05-14-2010, 02:43 PM
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I have a pitchfork.
How is it that KLM, Lufthansa, and Air France exceed significantly our past payrates, but somehow are able to stay competitive.
It is okay with me if the company and mangement have to struggle daily with how they are going to make payroll for the pilots.
Have you bought a piece of lumber recently - double the price of a year ago.
I have a pitchfork.
How is it that KLM, Lufthansa, and Air France exceed significantly our past payrates, but somehow are able to stay competitive.
It is okay with me if the company and mangement have to struggle daily with how they are going to make payroll for the pilots.
Have you bought a piece of lumber recently - double the price of a year ago.
05-14-2010, 02:56 PM
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We also had some strange fleet allocation in Dallas. Flying the L1011 back at Mach 1 (or close enough as to not be a significant difference) to ATL was fun, but had to have been a high cost operation.
So how long until we buy Hawaiian? 767-300 ER's, Haneda slot, 717's, base right in the middle of the Pacific, its' competition is withering and the operation is profitable.
Anyone realize the Philippine Airlines all had IATA safety restrictions which denied them the ability to serve the EU and parts of Asia. PAL is planning aggressive growth to the US West Coast. Seems like we preemptively could throw a 767 SEA-MNL, PDX-MNL or LAX-MNL, or maybe even service to Cebu. Or come at it from the Amsterdam side.
Anyone know why we don't fly NRT-AMS? Talked to a Platinum Miler who flies us to NRT and then picks up another airline on the return flight. Much easier on the body to chase the sun around the planet than to do it the other way.
So how long until we buy Hawaiian? 767-300 ER's, Haneda slot, 717's, base right in the middle of the Pacific, its' competition is withering and the operation is profitable.
Anyone realize the Philippine Airlines all had IATA safety restrictions which denied them the ability to serve the EU and parts of Asia. PAL is planning aggressive growth to the US West Coast. Seems like we preemptively could throw a 767 SEA-MNL, PDX-MNL or LAX-MNL, or maybe even service to Cebu. Or come at it from the Amsterdam side.
Anyone know why we don't fly NRT-AMS? Talked to a Platinum Miler who flies us to NRT and then picks up another airline on the return flight. Much easier on the body to chase the sun around the planet than to do it the other way.
05-14-2010, 02:56 PM
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Interesting.
As the market in general appears to be rolling over, DAL stock was up 3.7% on 1.5 times its normal volume. It also reclaimed its 50 day moving average and is nearing the top of its Bollinger and the middle of the upper half of its Keltner channel.
In contrast, all of the other airlines have were down over the session today.
This follow through today comes after a high volume day on Wednesday with significant gains. Suggests perhaps institutional buying.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui
TheManager.
As the market in general appears to be rolling over, DAL stock was up 3.7% on 1.5 times its normal volume. It also reclaimed its 50 day moving average and is nearing the top of its Bollinger and the middle of the upper half of its Keltner channel.
In contrast, all of the other airlines have were down over the session today.
This follow through today comes after a high volume day on Wednesday with significant gains. Suggests perhaps institutional buying.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui
TheManager.
Last edited by TheManager; 05-14-2010 at 03:02 PM. Reason: addition
05-14-2010, 03:15 PM
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All right, I'm going to say something controversial now. Big shock, huh?
Restoration is a pipe dream. The world has changed, the market has changed, our profession has changed. To constantly look to the past and yearn for what was and will never be again is a pipe dream.
We must look forward and attain the highest compensation for our times, not some golden age. Our labor market is subject to many forces and laws that have radically changed since when most of you started this job. It is not 1980, or 1988, or 1992, or 2000 for that matter. It is 2010 and we have a completely different set of conditions that define what level of compensation we are able to achieve.
Put away the pitch forks, i'm not talking about acquiescing at our current level. We can make significant gains and set a new standard for OUR times. First we must understand the things Alfa posed. Then we have to break the shackles of the past and stop judging our success by comparing to the past. We can't turn back the clock.
Restoration is a pipe dream. The world has changed, the market has changed, our profession has changed. To constantly look to the past and yearn for what was and will never be again is a pipe dream.
We must look forward and attain the highest compensation for our times, not some golden age. Our labor market is subject to many forces and laws that have radically changed since when most of you started this job. It is not 1980, or 1988, or 1992, or 2000 for that matter. It is 2010 and we have a completely different set of conditions that define what level of compensation we are able to achieve.
Put away the pitch forks, i'm not talking about acquiescing at our current level. We can make significant gains and set a new standard for OUR times. First we must understand the things Alfa posed. Then we have to break the shackles of the past and stop judging our success by comparing to the past. We can't turn back the clock.
I don't spend a lot of time on this board. Maybe the predominant thinking here is like yours. But I'm not ready to give up. And it has been rare that I have flown with or known another pilot who is. I haven't forgotten how hard we all had to work to achieve success in this profession. I haven't forgotten all the sacrifices we and our families made along the way. I think the value of this profession that had been established for decades is absolutely appropriate for the level of expertise, aptitude, experience, professionalism, career risk, and responsibility we have. I think we have been sold a bill of goods and, as evidenced by your post, some of us have bought into it. Bottom line, I want people representing me who have not given up on the historical, long established value of this profession.
05-14-2010, 03:35 PM
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Just did the CBT's for DC9 CQ in March on a Vista laptop using Internet Explorer for the browser and did not have any problems. Not sure what to suggest as a remedy, but I don't think the fact that you are running Vista is the root problem...
05-14-2010, 03:38 PM
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Give or take isn't it roughly $1.6-1.8B a year for all of us?
That's my bet. Anyone in the know what to tell me if that's close? You can divide that by the available seat miles and multiply it by a given distance. Just rough idea.
Use these numbers if anyone has a excel spreadsheet out:
http://www.airlinefinancials.com/upl...AL_Q2_2010.pdf
So, if we cost $1,800,000,000.00 and we have 194,000,000,000 available seat miles. If you divide that out its $0.0093/mile or on a 500 mile trip $4.84. That seems off though. I'm beat, sorry.
That's my bet. Anyone in the know what to tell me if that's close? You can divide that by the available seat miles and multiply it by a given distance. Just rough idea.
Use these numbers if anyone has a excel spreadsheet out:
http://www.airlinefinancials.com/upl...AL_Q2_2010.pdf
So, if we cost $1,800,000,000.00 and we have 194,000,000,000 available seat miles. If you divide that out its $0.0093/mile or on a 500 mile trip $4.84. That seems off though. I'm beat, sorry.
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05-14-2010, 03:45 PM
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Trying to post a picture out of My Pictures. Not having any luck. ANYONE HAVE ADVICE??? Thanks
05-14-2010, 03:50 PM
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05-14-2010, 04:00 PM
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