Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-12-2010, 05:13 PM
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05-12-2010, 05:18 PM
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Your statement that DALPA may not have been overly helpful to them could not be further from the truth. Can you give even a hint of what you based it on? Call and talk to your reps about the situation. You might form a different and educated opinion. DALPA or ALPA don't deal with these types of situation in public and especially in this case its not the place.
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I did say MAY, I don't know. Why don't I know, because I do not get any info from my union. That is my biggest concern is that we get so little information that we have to resort to web boards to be "informed"
Look at the 20% raise for scope relief rumor. I believe that rumor gained so much traction because of the way our union communicates to the masses. We are kept in the dark on a lot of stuff until after it happens. So it is easy for rumors to gain traction.
You are 100% correct I should contact my reps about this. I will shoot them an email off as soon as I finish this reply.
05-12-2010, 05:21 PM
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Don't look at the AE menu for who is bidding into the bus senior to you. I am 60% on the list and it shows 120+ senior to me bidding on to it. May be time to go to the 88 and be in the top 20% or bottom of 7ER.
05-12-2010, 05:26 PM
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No I have not heard anything official, but that is part of the problem, we have heard nothing at all from the union.
One of the things I find concerning about the union is the lack of communication compared to what we on the north were used to. One example of a similar situation was the Airbus crew that landed at the AF base in SD versus Rapid City. The union came out with information after it happened as well as some, for lack of a better term, status updates. The did nothing that interfered with the investigation but they did do a good job keeping us informed.
One of the things I find concerning about the union is the lack of communication compared to what we on the north were used to. One example of a similar situation was the Airbus crew that landed at the AF base in SD versus Rapid City. The union came out with information after it happened as well as some, for lack of a better term, status updates. The did nothing that interfered with the investigation but they did do a good job keeping us informed.
I don't believe the 188 crew was treated any differently by our current MEC than the former NWA MEC treated the 1152 crew in Ellsworth, the 52 crew in Brussels or the Fargo crew way back in 1990. All those crews were subject to media scrutiny, then discipline. Two of the three crews were terminated. The updates you received were basically on the status of the grievance as part of an MEC report. There were no additional details beyond those initially provided.
Here's a serious question for you, Caddis. Do you believe that keeping a crew that has made a mistake in management's, the FAA/DOT or the public eye will enhance their long term job security? That same management has already suspended them, the FAA/DOT revoked their licenses, and the media has hung them. I submit that we can do a much greater service to them by being quiet and patient.
Oh, and those two NWA crews that were terminated...they got their jobs back with very limited fanfare. Your "right to know" doesn't trump their right to good representation or allow damage to their job security.
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05-12-2010, 05:28 PM
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Fun,
I did say MAY, I don't know. Why don't I know, because I do not get any info from my union. That is my biggest concern is that we get so little information that we have to resort to web boards to be "informed"
Look at the 20% raise for scope relief rumor. I believe that rumor gained so much traction because of the way our union communicates to the masses. We are kept in the dark on a lot of stuff until after it happens. So it is easy for rumors to gain traction.
You are 100% correct I should contact my reps about this. I will shoot them an email off as soon as I finish this reply.
I did say MAY, I don't know. Why don't I know, because I do not get any info from my union. That is my biggest concern is that we get so little information that we have to resort to web boards to be "informed"
Look at the 20% raise for scope relief rumor. I believe that rumor gained so much traction because of the way our union communicates to the masses. We are kept in the dark on a lot of stuff until after it happens. So it is easy for rumors to gain traction.
You are 100% correct I should contact my reps about this. I will shoot them an email off as soon as I finish this reply.
The sad part is that I heard a guy say that he would take that deal in a heartbeat.
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05-12-2010, 05:34 PM
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05-12-2010, 05:35 PM
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When MM was the NWA MEC Chair there were over 20 termination cases where he was able to intercede and protect pilot jobs. How much of that was public knowledge?
I don't believe the 188 crew was treated any differently by our current MEC than the former NWA MEC treated the 1152 crew in Ellsworth, the 52 crew in Brussels or the Fargo crew way back in 1990. All those crews were subject to media scrutiny, then discipline. Two of the three crews were terminated. The updates you received were basically on the status of the grievance as part of an MEC report. There were no additional details beyond those initially provided.
Here's a serious question for you, Caddis. Do you believe that keeping a crew that has made a mistake in management's, the FAA/DOT or the public eye will enhance their long term job security? That same management has already suspended them, the FAA/DOT revoked their licenses, and the media has hung them. I submit that we can do a much greater service to them by being quiet and patient.
Oh, and those two NWA crews that were terminated...they got their jobs back with very limited fanfare. Your "right to know" doesn't trump their right to good representation or allow damage to their job security.
jmo.
I don't believe the 188 crew was treated any differently by our current MEC than the former NWA MEC treated the 1152 crew in Ellsworth, the 52 crew in Brussels or the Fargo crew way back in 1990. All those crews were subject to media scrutiny, then discipline. Two of the three crews were terminated. The updates you received were basically on the status of the grievance as part of an MEC report. There were no additional details beyond those initially provided.
Here's a serious question for you, Caddis. Do you believe that keeping a crew that has made a mistake in management's, the FAA/DOT or the public eye will enhance their long term job security? That same management has already suspended them, the FAA/DOT revoked their licenses, and the media has hung them. I submit that we can do a much greater service to them by being quiet and patient.
Oh, and those two NWA crews that were terminated...they got their jobs back with very limited fanfare. Your "right to know" doesn't trump their right to good representation or allow damage to their job security.
jmo.
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I do not want any information that may hurt their case. So I will offer you this olive branch and say that in some cases limited info is better.
Now how about you concede that the MEC does not do as well as they could with communication to the masses on other issues? I am going to go for a simply one and use MEC meetings.
At the former NWA we would receive a nightly emailed synopsis of the days events. Why do we not get that from DALPA? In all honesty it should not take more then 30 minutes to recap the events in a short email to the members. A simply chronological recap would suffice followed by more details after the meeting adjourns emailed out to the members.
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05-12-2010, 05:52 PM
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Finally got around to reading the Haneda tentative slot award document.
Synopsis was that 747 probably helped our case a LOT in LAX and maybe some in DTW. Take that AMR...
Now it sounds like the A319 is drumming up some business in Europe.
Maybe its good to have a fleet more diverse than our competitors.
Wonder what would have happened if we had asked for JFK-HND with a 747 instead of SEA-HND.
Synopsis was that 747 probably helped our case a LOT in LAX and maybe some in DTW. Take that AMR...
Now it sounds like the A319 is drumming up some business in Europe.
Maybe its good to have a fleet more diverse than our competitors.
Wonder what would have happened if we had asked for JFK-HND with a 747 instead of SEA-HND.
05-12-2010, 05:53 PM
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Slow,
I do not want any information that may hurt their case. So I will offer you this olive branch and say that in some cases limited info is better.
Now how about you concede that the MEC does not do as well as they could with communication to the masses on other issues? I am going to go for a simply one and use MEC meetings.
At the former NWA we would receive a nightly emailed synopsis of the days events. Why do we not get that from DALPA? In all honesty it should not take more then 30 minutes to recap the events in a short email to the members. A simply chronological recap would suffice followed by more details after the meeting adjourns emailed out to the members.
I do not want any information that may hurt their case. So I will offer you this olive branch and say that in some cases limited info is better.
Now how about you concede that the MEC does not do as well as they could with communication to the masses on other issues? I am going to go for a simply one and use MEC meetings.
At the former NWA we would receive a nightly emailed synopsis of the days events. Why do we not get that from DALPA? In all honesty it should not take more then 30 minutes to recap the events in a short email to the members. A simply chronological recap would suffice followed by more details after the meeting adjourns emailed out to the members.
"What we have heah is a failure to communicate..."
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