Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
05-11-2010, 11:26 AM
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I agree with that. Most of us want to know that we could get right out, and be legal for T/O. I think this is especially true on NB flying from JFK, because the odds are (when 31L reopens) that you can ignore the huge lines, and go striaght from the ramp, to 3L/KK.
05-11-2010, 11:32 AM
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We had plenty of room in the RATOW and Climb limits to take off. The concern we had was that we were more than 1000 lbs over the TOGW, thus using up more than the 1000 lbs of pad.
Another issue we were thinking about (which stems from an old NWA way) was that we were more than 1000 lbs heavier (NWA called this a payload pad, and it varied by mileage) and our burn calculations would be off because we were now heavier. Now 1000 lbs isn't going to be that big of a deal, but let's say you were 10,000 lbs heavier. Where do you draw the line? The FOM says we need an ammended release if we are more than 1000 lbs over the planned TOGW - if I'm remembering correctly. I'm assuming this is for things like burn, drift down terrain clearance, etc. ie limits not runway specific. I had assumed this was the reason that we could only have a 1000 lbs of pad, even if the runway and climb limits were not a factor at the higher weight.
Am I making any sense?
Another issue we were thinking about (which stems from an old NWA way) was that we were more than 1000 lbs heavier (NWA called this a payload pad, and it varied by mileage) and our burn calculations would be off because we were now heavier. Now 1000 lbs isn't going to be that big of a deal, but let's say you were 10,000 lbs heavier. Where do you draw the line? The FOM says we need an ammended release if we are more than 1000 lbs over the planned TOGW - if I'm remembering correctly. I'm assuming this is for things like burn, drift down terrain clearance, etc. ie limits not runway specific. I had assumed this was the reason that we could only have a 1000 lbs of pad, even if the runway and climb limits were not a factor at the higher weight.
Am I making any sense?
05-11-2010, 12:40 PM
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I do believe you are correct. The question is......how long is the freeze? I looked and could not find anything in the contract with regards to 88 to 90 training. My guess is that it is similar to 767 domestic to ER. In other words a 9 month freeze but I would call the union or company to double check that one!!
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The MD88 is the same category as the MD90 and they are all just called the M88 for bidding purposes. If you go from the DC9 to the M88 (which includes the MD90) you will incur a 2 year freeze.
From the email we got today:
DC9 vs. M88
The DC-9 and MD-88/90 are flown under the same type rating, but the differences are such that initial training is required for DC-9 pilots awarded an MD-88 category or vice versa. Therefore, DC-9 pilots awarded an M88 category and MD-88 pilots awarded a DC-9 category both incur a two-year category freeze.
The MD88 is the same category as the MD90 and they are all just called the M88 for bidding purposes. If you go from the DC9 to the M88 (which includes the MD90) you will incur a 2 year freeze.
From the email we got today:
DC9 vs. M88
The DC-9 and MD-88/90 are flown under the same type rating, but the differences are such that initial training is required for DC-9 pilots awarded an MD-88 category or vice versa. Therefore, DC-9 pilots awarded an M88 category and MD-88 pilots awarded a DC-9 category both incur a two-year category freeze.
I forgot that if I get MD's there is no freeze, so it may not matter.
05-11-2010, 12:44 PM
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We had plenty of room in the RATOW and Climb limits to take off. The concern we had was that we were more than 1000 lbs over the TOGW, thus using up more than the 1000 lbs of pad.
Another issue we were thinking about (which stems from an old NWA way) was that we were more than 1000 lbs heavier (NWA called this a payload pad, and it varied by mileage) and our burn calculations would be off because we were now heavier. Now 1000 lbs isn't going to be that big of a deal, but let's say you were 10,000 lbs heavier. Where do you draw the line? The FOM says we need an ammended release if we are more than 1000 lbs over the planned TOGW - if I'm remembering correctly. I'm assuming this is for things like burn, drift down terrain clearance, etc. ie limits not runway specific. I had assumed this was the reason that we could only have a 1000 lbs of pad, even if the runway and climb limits were not a factor at the higher weight.
Am I making any sense?
Another issue we were thinking about (which stems from an old NWA way) was that we were more than 1000 lbs heavier (NWA called this a payload pad, and it varied by mileage) and our burn calculations would be off because we were now heavier. Now 1000 lbs isn't going to be that big of a deal, but let's say you were 10,000 lbs heavier. Where do you draw the line? The FOM says we need an ammended release if we are more than 1000 lbs over the planned TOGW - if I'm remembering correctly. I'm assuming this is for things like burn, drift down terrain clearance, etc. ie limits not runway specific. I had assumed this was the reason that we could only have a 1000 lbs of pad, even if the runway and climb limits were not a factor at the higher weight.
Am I making any sense?
You're using it wrong. If you're under the RATOW and CLB weights, you're fine.
Don't make it more complicated than it is... it's extremely simple.
05-11-2010, 01:11 PM
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No freeze to go from the -88 to the -90. They did away with that in Jan 08 when they stopped training us in the sim and went to training us with a CD. FO's only do a CD for training while Captains have to have one leg with a LCA in addition to the CD, no more sim so no more freeze.
05-11-2010, 01:13 PM
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Hiring pilot program managers
Just saw this in the ATA Smartbrief:
Location: Atlanta, GA
Salary Range: varies with experience
Manager - Crew Resource Management/Threat and Error Management Delta Air Lines
This has been an active pilot position in the past but they are apparently now going outside the company to fill the position. Guess we might see more of that in the future.
Location: Atlanta, GA
Salary Range: varies with experience
Manager - Crew Resource Management/Threat and Error Management Delta Air Lines
This has been an active pilot position in the past but they are apparently now going outside the company to fill the position. Guess we might see more of that in the future.
05-11-2010, 01:26 PM
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Interesting.
05-11-2010, 01:28 PM
Da Hudge
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Just saw this in the ATA Smartbrief:
Location: Atlanta, GA
Salary Range: varies with experience
Manager - Crew Resource Management/Threat and Error Management Delta Air Lines
This has been an active pilot position in the past but they are apparently now going outside the company to fill the position. Guess we might see more of that in the future.
Location: Atlanta, GA
Salary Range: varies with experience
Manager - Crew Resource Management/Threat and Error Management Delta Air Lines
This has been an active pilot position in the past but they are apparently now going outside the company to fill the position. Guess we might see more of that in the future.
I seem to remember there being a non-pilot CRM/TEM guy that briefed my newhire class.
05-11-2010, 01:40 PM
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No freeze to go from the -88 to the -90. They did away with that in Jan 08 when they stopped training us in the sim and went to training us with a CD. FO's only do a CD for training while Captains have to have one leg with a LCA in addition to the CD, no more sim so no more freeze.
That's the answer I was looking for and it makes sense. Thanks.
05-11-2010, 04:39 PM
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