Originally Posted by keenster

Ok, We have a PIRP and get around 220 guys to go early. The company spends 9 months of full pay as an incentive to go early. That adds up to alot of bucks. Now we are going to hire 250 guys off the street and train them. That adds up to alot of bucks. These 2 items alone seem to indicate that someone somewhere does not know what the heck is going on with respect to the future of this company. Another example, the company displaces 60-70 fos off the 744 in Jan and then in May put 20 capts on and 50 fos back on the aircraft. It sure seems that the tail is wagging the dog around here. Alot of displacement training cost and then cost to put guys back on the aircraft. I'm sure Pineapple loves all this money the company is throwing around, but then they will ask us for pay cuts when things get tough again. Who holds them accountable for bad business decisions they make and want us to pay for????? Just an observation, but it sure seems that DAL throws money around and is way more wasteful than fNWA. I am saying this because I am concerned about the health of this company. We are carrying around on average 7500-10000 pounds of fuel over what we used to land with on the old flight plan system. That adds up to alot of fuel burned to carry extra fuel. Nobody seems to care. We had a guy no show his trip to start this trip. Nobody seem to care that no one was there. They did not even know the other capt was not there. Had we not called at 1 hour before departure, we would have canceled the flight. I am just saying that this operation sure appears to be a ship with a lot of small leaks in the hull. The question is: are they fixing the leaks or are they going to get alot bigger and sink the ship? I think that as a company we have much bigger issues in front of us than what aircraft is being parked and what base is being opened or closed, and this aircraft should not be flying in this base. It's the typical worring about the **** ants while the elephant stomps on you. To me the operation needs to become lean, mean and efficient. I don't get that feeling now!

Originally Posted by keenster

Ok, We have a PIRP and get around 220 guys to go early. The company spends 9 months of full pay as an incentive to go early. That adds up to alot of bucks. Now we are going to hire 250 guys off the street and train them. That adds up to alot of bucks. These 2 items alone seem to indicate that someone somewhere does not know what the heck is going on with respect to the future of this company. Another example, the company displaces 60-70 fos off the 744 in Jan and then in May put 20 capts on and 50 fos back on the aircraft. It sure seems that the tail is wagging the dog around here. Alot of displacement training cost and then cost to put guys back on the aircraft.

Originally Posted by slowplay

As you seem to have broken the code on what the economy, the price of oil, and airline demand will be in 12 months, could you please give me a hint? My 401K could sure use the boost!

btw, WTI oil was $65.29/bbl and the DJIA closed at 8403 on 5/28/09, the date the PRIP was ratified. Delta's Revenue was down 23% in the June quarter of 2009, and corporate sales were off more than 45%. Oh, our stock price was $5.50, less than half the price today.

UAL furloughed 1450. AMR has over 1800 out. CAL 147. The DCI carriers furloughed nearly 1000 collectively. Delta didn't furlough. Many of the Prips left last fall. Delta isn't hiring until this fall.

Now all the airline trends are positive. And you want to carp about decisions made to mitigate the losses Delta was experiencing at the time while preserving jobs? I guess there's no pleasing some folks...

Originally Posted by keenster

Ok, We have a PIRP and get around 220 guys to go early. The company spends 9 months of full pay as an incentive to go early. That adds up to alot of bucks. Now we are going to hire 250 guys off the street and train them. That adds up to alot of bucks. These 2 items alone seem to indicate that someone somewhere does not know what the heck is going on with respect to the future of this company. Another example, the company displaces 60-70 fos off the 744 in Jan and then in May put 20 capts on and 50 fos back on the aircraft. It sure seems that the tail is wagging the dog around here. Alot of displacement training cost and then cost to put guys back on the aircraft. I'm sure Pineapple loves all this money the company is throwing around, but then they will ask us for pay cuts when things get tough again. Who holds them accountable for bad business decisions they make and want us to pay for????? Just an observation, but it sure seems that DAL throws money around and is way more wasteful than fNWA. I am saying this because I am concerned about the health of this company. We are carrying around on average 7500-10000 pounds of fuel over what we used to land with on the old flight plan system. That adds up to alot of fuel burned to carry extra fuel. Nobody seems to care. We had a guy no show his trip to start this trip. Nobody seem to care that no one was there. They did not even know the other capt was not there. Had we not called at 1 hour before departure, we would have canceled the flight. I am just saying that this operation sure appears to be a ship with a lot of small leaks in the hull. The question is: are they fixing the leaks or are they going to get alot bigger and sink the ship? I think that as a company we have much bigger issues in front of us than what aircraft is being parked and what base is being opened or closed, and this aircraft should not be flying in this base. It's the typical worring about the **** ants while the elephant stomps on you. To me the operation needs to become lean, mean and efficient. I don't get that feeling now!

Originally Posted by keenster

. We are carrying around on average 7500-10000 pounds of fuel over what we used to land with on the old flight plan system. That adds up to alot of fuel burned to carry extra fuel. Nobody seems to care.

I donīt know much about the other stuff but I do know you can never have too much fuel on board unless you are on fire.

Burn Notice

Originally Posted by johnso29

It's really not hard to understand. When the PRIP was ratified capacity was down 20% & revenue was down big time. Ticket sales were next to non existent for international flying, & we didn't need as many pilots as we had. Now the economy is picking back up, we have an SOC & the ability to fully utilize our fleet to maximize revenue. An increase in NB block hours with a return of previous WB block hours requires bodies back on the Big jets. Since guys were kicked off the big jets to staff the little ones & are now needed back on the Big jets they're going back. Personally, these are the kinds of problems I like to see. Lots of WB vacancies & hiring. Really ZERO to complain about IMO.

Originally Posted by keenster

A common theme you hear on our side of things in the 744 world is "boy they sure are ****ing a lot of money away" compared to what we have seen in the past. All of my concerns in my post were aimed at the company making the right decisions and becoming more efficient in order to become more profitable. I am amazed at some who always take everything that has a hint of questioning what mother DAL is doing as a slam to them and come to the defense of the situation no matter what the facts are or what the intent of the post was. Take the blinders off. I want this company to become the best there is for all of our sakes.

Originally Posted by slowplay

As you seem to have broken the code on what the economy, the price of oil, and airline demand will be in 12 months, could you please give me a hint? My 401K could sure use the boost!

btw, WTI oil was $65.29/bbl and the DJIA closed at 8403 on 5/28/09, the date the PRIP was ratified. Delta's Revenue was down 23% in the June quarter of 2009, and corporate sales were off more than 45%. Oh, our stock price was $5.50, less than half the price today.

UAL furloughed 1450. AMR has over 1800 out. CAL 147. The DCI carriers furloughed nearly 1000 collectively. Delta didn't furlough. Many of the Prips left last fall. Delta isn't hiring until this fall.

Now all the airline trends are positive. And you want to carp about decisions made to mitigate the losses Delta was experiencing at the time while preserving jobs? I guess there's no pleasing some folks...

Originally Posted by keenster

We are carrying around on average 7500-10000 pounds of fuel over what we used to land with on the old flight plan system. That adds up to alot of fuel burned to carry extra fuel. Nobody seems to care.