Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-30-2010, 02:58 PM
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80 and Denny.
Thank you very much. I'll use it. If they don't like it, they can sue me.
Thank you very much. I'll use it. If they don't like it, they can sue me.
04-30-2010, 03:04 PM
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Nu,
I agree. I think everyone from flight ops to inflight to DALPA is starting to see that 40% is too large to be absorbed and therefore you can't use the old Pan Am playbook.
But, I think we will be a better company down the road after the smoke clears. I keep telling myself that this time next year I'll be wondering what the big deal was.
I agree. I think everyone from flight ops to inflight to DALPA is starting to see that 40% is too large to be absorbed and therefore you can't use the old Pan Am playbook.
But, I think we will be a better company down the road after the smoke clears. I keep telling myself that this time next year I'll be wondering what the big deal was.
Nu and Ferd,
Step out side the box and knowing what you know about both ways of doing business: DAL and fNWA, if you were able to choose one method over the other objectively, which would it be? Hands down for me it would be the NWA way. That is not a slam to the DAL way, just my honest opinion. Both operations have good ways of flying the airplane, but as a whole I feel the NWA way was somewhat safer in that we were concerned about flying the airplane in what we as a group of pilots came up with as opposed to choosing BA procedures because the lawyers say so. I only hope that there is real and meaningful discussions about the best practices, procedures, checklist and paperwork in the future. I feel like there is a combination of things that would be better than both the former systems and only hope that is the goal. I don't think this would be a large change but small suttle improvements. What has been soooooo dissapointing so far has been the shut up and sit down treatment alot of our guys have recieved and the whinning label. Not productive. I for one have not given up hope, but for the guys who think things are going so well because we are arguing about pay check amounts, the fNWA guys have pretty much sat down and shut up and that does not mean that we are all happy and giddy. Alot of us are still pretty ticked off and hoping that things get better. In a nut shell, what the DAL experience has shown me is how good of an airline I came from and how good of a contract we had and did not know it. Now the goal is to make this airline much better than what we both had before. Just my opinion and rant and not meant to offend or slam the Sguys.
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04-30-2010, 03:24 PM
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04-30-2010, 03:35 PM
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Nu and Ferd,
Step out side the box and knowing what you know about both ways of doing business: DAL and fNWA, if you were able to choose one method over the other objectively, which would it be? Hands down for me it would be the NWA way. That is not a slam to the DAL way, just my honest opinion. Both operations have good ways of flying the airplane, but as a whole I feel the NWA way was somewhat safer in that we were concerned about flying the airplane in what we as a group of pilots came up with as opposed to choosing BA procedures because the lawyers say so. I only hope that there is real and meaningful discussions about the best practices, procedures, checklist and paperwork in the future. I feel like there is a combination of things that would be better than both the former systems and only hope that is the goal. I don't think this would be a large change but small suttle improvements. What has been soooooo dissapointing so far has been the shut up and sit down treatment alot of our guys have recieved and the whinning label. Not productive. I for one have not given up hope, but for the guys who think things are going so well because we are arguing about pay check amounts, the fNWA guys have pretty much sat down and shut up and that does not mean that we are all happy and giddy. Alot of us are still pretty ticked off and hoping that things get better. In a nut shell, what the DAL experience has show me is how good of an airline I came from and how good of a contract we had and did not know it. Now the goal is to make this airline much better than what we both had before. Just my opinion and rant and not meant to offend or slam the Sguys.
Step out side the box and knowing what you know about both ways of doing business: DAL and fNWA, if you were able to choose one method over the other objectively, which would it be? Hands down for me it would be the NWA way. That is not a slam to the DAL way, just my honest opinion. Both operations have good ways of flying the airplane, but as a whole I feel the NWA way was somewhat safer in that we were concerned about flying the airplane in what we as a group of pilots came up with as opposed to choosing BA procedures because the lawyers say so. I only hope that there is real and meaningful discussions about the best practices, procedures, checklist and paperwork in the future. I feel like there is a combination of things that would be better than both the former systems and only hope that is the goal. I don't think this would be a large change but small suttle improvements. What has been soooooo dissapointing so far has been the shut up and sit down treatment alot of our guys have recieved and the whinning label. Not productive. I for one have not given up hope, but for the guys who think things are going so well because we are arguing about pay check amounts, the fNWA guys have pretty much sat down and shut up and that does not mean that we are all happy and giddy. Alot of us are still pretty ticked off and hoping that things get better. In a nut shell, what the DAL experience has show me is how good of an airline I came from and how good of a contract we had and did not know it. Now the goal is to make this airline much better than what we both had before. Just my opinion and rant and not meant to offend or slam the Sguys.
There have been some good and not so great changes. Unfortunately for the PMDAL pilots, only fNWA pilots will have had experience with both systems. Succesful integration of best practices will be the result of level-headed fNWA pilots in their presentation and equally open minded PMDAL pilots brushing aside tradition and leaving politics in the employee parking lot. Hopefully these items will be changed to a hybrid of former procedures in the interest of safety down the road; that will be the ultimate signature and trademark of a group of experienced professionals.
Aside from the integration issues I would like to see Delta pull a consistent profit and create a network plan that is the envy of the industry. The past few quarterly statements have been dismal, a reversal in our revenue stream and some movement would get most of the pilots out of the doldrums of the SLI as we would all finally get a glimpse of what hundreds of unpaid hours of transition were for, a better future. Here's to going forward with best practices in the name of safey and attaining profitability.
04-30-2010, 03:45 PM
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Having flown with a few S. guys I am convinced that we as a group can move forward to provide the safest operation in the industry. While I absolutely despised our former page long taxi checklist and procedures so anal that it dictated the exact order in which an FMS had to be loaded (yes the dots in SOPA/SMAC represented a particular order), I openly embrace a quieter/safer deck on taxi out. On the other end of the spectrum I sense less SA in a round dial DC-9 with one FDRA bouncing around the cockpit," Hey Bill, what was the airway after FLM?"
There have been some good and not so great changes. Unfortunately for the PMDAL pilots, only fNWA pilots will have had experience with both systems. Succesful integration of best practices will be the result of level-headed fNWA pilots in their presentation and equally open minded PMDAL pilots brushing aside tradition and leaving politics in the employee parking lot. Hopefully these items will be changed to a hybrid of former procedures in the interest of safety down the road; that will be the ultimate signature and trademark of a group of experienced professionals.
Aside from the integration issues I would like to see Delta pull a consistent profit and create a network plan that is the envy of the industry. The past few quarterly statements have been dismal, a reversal in our revenue stream and some movement would get most of the pilots out of the doldrums of the SLI as we would all finally get a glimpse of what hundreds of unpaid hours of transition were for, a better future. Here's to going forward with best practices in the name of safety and attaining profitability.
There have been some good and not so great changes. Unfortunately for the PMDAL pilots, only fNWA pilots will have had experience with both systems. Succesful integration of best practices will be the result of level-headed fNWA pilots in their presentation and equally open minded PMDAL pilots brushing aside tradition and leaving politics in the employee parking lot. Hopefully these items will be changed to a hybrid of former procedures in the interest of safety down the road; that will be the ultimate signature and trademark of a group of experienced professionals.
Aside from the integration issues I would like to see Delta pull a consistent profit and create a network plan that is the envy of the industry. The past few quarterly statements have been dismal, a reversal in our revenue stream and some movement would get most of the pilots out of the doldrums of the SLI as we would all finally get a glimpse of what hundreds of unpaid hours of transition were for, a better future. Here's to going forward with best practices in the name of safety and attaining profitability.
Great points.
Rational Explanations and discussions need to take place. Ego and pride need to be left at the door.
04-30-2010, 03:53 PM
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Having flown with a few S. guys I am convinced that we as a group can move forward to provide the safest operation in the industry. While I absolutely despised our former page long taxi checklist and procedures so anal that it dictated the exact order in which an FMS had to be loaded (yes the dots in SOPA/SMAC represented a particular order), I openly embrace a quieter/safer deck on taxi out. On the other end of the spectrum I sense less SA in a round dial DC-9 with one FDRA bouncing around the cockpit," Hey Bill, what was the airway after FLM?"
I agree this is a good change. I really think that the right combination of procedures etc. will result in a kick ass operation.
There have been some good and not so great changes. Unfortunately for the PMDAL pilots, only fNWA pilots will have had experience with both systems. Succesful integration of best practices will be the result of level-headed fNWA pilots in their presentation and equally open minded PMDAL pilots brushing aside tradition and leaving politics in the employee parking lot. Hopefully these items will be changed to a hybrid of former procedures in the interest of safety down the road; that will be the ultimate signature and trademark of a group of experienced professionals.
Could not have said it better!
Aside from the integration issues I would like to see Delta pull a consistent profit and create a network plan that is the envy of the industry. The past few quarterly statements have been dismal, a reversal in our revenue stream and some movement would get most of the pilots out of the doldrums of the SLI as we would all finally get a glimpse of what hundreds of unpaid hours of transition were for, a better future. Here's to going forward with best practices in the name of safey and attaining profitability.
I agree this is a good change. I really think that the right combination of procedures etc. will result in a kick ass operation.
There have been some good and not so great changes. Unfortunately for the PMDAL pilots, only fNWA pilots will have had experience with both systems. Succesful integration of best practices will be the result of level-headed fNWA pilots in their presentation and equally open minded PMDAL pilots brushing aside tradition and leaving politics in the employee parking lot. Hopefully these items will be changed to a hybrid of former procedures in the interest of safety down the road; that will be the ultimate signature and trademark of a group of experienced professionals.
Could not have said it better!
Aside from the integration issues I would like to see Delta pull a consistent profit and create a network plan that is the envy of the industry. The past few quarterly statements have been dismal, a reversal in our revenue stream and some movement would get most of the pilots out of the doldrums of the SLI as we would all finally get a glimpse of what hundreds of unpaid hours of transition were for, a better future. Here's to going forward with best practices in the name of safey and attaining profitability.
Agree. I hope that we have some good people in the right places to make this thing work.
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04-30-2010, 03:54 PM
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04-30-2010, 04:24 PM
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or Amen Sister!
I have always stated that it has been the approach, and not the complaint or suggestion. That goes for both pre merger groups.
I want my job to be clear and concise while operating a jet for DAL. I like the big bubble stuff. There are a few things that can and will be improved. I believe they stated there were 350 items that were tabled until now. They are going through those as we speak. First up will be some checklist changes from what I am told.
It is a tall task. We just merged two of the largest carriers in two years. It is a success. Let give credit where credit is due on that.
Everyone is wanting to see change, well next up we will be whining about all of the changes that keep coming. Just watch! We are pilots after all.
I have always stated that it has been the approach, and not the complaint or suggestion. That goes for both pre merger groups.
I want my job to be clear and concise while operating a jet for DAL. I like the big bubble stuff. There are a few things that can and will be improved. I believe they stated there were 350 items that were tabled until now. They are going through those as we speak. First up will be some checklist changes from what I am told.
It is a tall task. We just merged two of the largest carriers in two years. It is a success. Let give credit where credit is due on that.
Everyone is wanting to see change, well next up we will be whining about all of the changes that keep coming. Just watch! We are pilots after all.
04-30-2010, 04:33 PM
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or Amen Sister!
I have always stated that it has been the approach, and not the complaint or suggestion. That goes for both pre merger groups.
I want my job to be clear and concise while operating a jet for DAL. I like the big bubble stuff. There are a few things that can and will be improved. I believe they stated there were 350 items that were tabled until now. They are going through those as we speak. First up will be some checklist changes from what I am told.
It is a tall task. We just merged two of the largest carriers in two years. It is a success. Let give credit where credit is due on that.
Everyone is wanting to see change, well next up we will be whining about all of the changes that keep coming. Just watch! We are pilots after all.
I have always stated that it has been the approach, and not the complaint or suggestion. That goes for both pre merger groups.
I want my job to be clear and concise while operating a jet for DAL. I like the big bubble stuff. There are a few things that can and will be improved. I believe they stated there were 350 items that were tabled until now. They are going through those as we speak. First up will be some checklist changes from what I am told.
It is a tall task. We just merged two of the largest carriers in two years. It is a success. Let give credit where credit is due on that.
Everyone is wanting to see change, well next up we will be whining about all of the changes that keep coming. Just watch! We are pilots after all.
04-30-2010, 04:38 PM
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Nu,
I agree. I think everyone from flight ops to inflight to DALPA is starting to see that 40% is too large to be absorbed and therefore you can't use the old Pan Am playbook.
But, I think we will be a better company down the road after the smoke clears. I keep telling myself that this time next year I'll be wondering what the big deal was.
I agree. I think everyone from flight ops to inflight to DALPA is starting to see that 40% is too large to be absorbed and therefore you can't use the old Pan Am playbook.
But, I think we will be a better company down the road after the smoke clears. I keep telling myself that this time next year I'll be wondering what the big deal was.
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