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Old 04-26-2010, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Hmmm, I thought they were:

1) Never volunteer
2) Never turn down a type rating
3) Never eat your crew meal in the dark

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Mine came from NW guys while sitting on the 744 jumpseat.

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Old 04-26-2010, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Hmmm, I thought they were:

1) Never volunteer
2) Never turn down a type rating
3) Never eat your crew meal in the dark

Nu
You forgot:

Never turn down your crew meal or any "offered" meals from the FAs........
and
Always have her come to your room, not the other way around


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Old 04-26-2010, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Why do we drive on a "parkway" and park on a "driveway?"

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Yea and if you put something in a car, it's a shipment, but if you put it in a ship, it's cargo.

Why are apart-ments stuck together?

Why does the Department of the Interior control the outdoors?

Why do I bi*ch for making $100K a year?

Questions that will never be answered...

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Old 04-26-2010, 11:54 PM
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Late night question, so I can plan my life....


When you are on reserve and you get a short call, is there a minimum time you have to have off between the next short call you get?

Let's say I have a 11 am to 11 pm short call. Can I request/get a short call from 3 am to 3 pm the following morning? Is that contractual? Legal?

Just wondering.
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Old 04-27-2010, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Late night question, so I can plan my life....


When you are on reserve and you get a short call, is there a minimum time you have to have off between the next short call you get?

Let's say I have a 11 am to 11 pm short call. Can I request/get a short call from 3 am to 3 pm the following morning? Is that contractual? Legal?

Just wondering.

Don't have a contract with me right now, but I believe the minimum time off between SC periods is 10 hours. Just like minimum rest required in base after finishing a reserve rotation. This gets you your 8 hours of rest. Do you have a copy of "When Scheduling Calls?" The answer is in there.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
3. Never trust a fart.
gamble and lose, gamble and lose.

Originally Posted by NuGuy
Hmmm, I thought they were:

1) Never volunteer
2) Never turn down a type rating
3) Never eat your crew meal in the dark

Nu
All very true.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Sure - that often happens. C2K was a massive raise right off the bat, then incremental increases. Of course, POS96 was a pay cut right off the bat, and then flat line. The economy really does matter.

As for a COLA, I've wanted that ever since I got here. I think its ridiculous that we've never had one built in. This industry is so tilted toward management, and without a decent COLA, there is no incentive to EVER settle. Contract negotiations drag on for years and years, and the retro check never quite makes up for the extensive delay. A COLA could help that situation, imo.
My thoughts exactly. There also would be no penalty to the pilots for a longer contract talks. We would be negotiating raises not fighting to keep our buying power after the amendable date.

I was thinking last night of another scenario:

I am big on getting gains through growth, jv's et al. Lets look at it another way.
DAL is about a 28 billion dollar a year corporation. Our costs are a percentage of that. I am guessing in the 8-9% range. Lets say the company grows to a 35-40 billion dollar corporation. Well take the same percentage that made up our costs under this PWA, or the next PWA and then take that percentage of the revenue and make that our version of a profit sharing check, revenue generation bonus, etc. Have it split however you want. The same way the stock was is probably the fairest ( I know junior guys should not talk that way) and deposit it in the 401, or pay it out in cash; whatever the majority of the group want.

It is along the same lines of gaining a percentage of the revenue for the JV's, it is just on a larger scale and would encompass all of revenue past 28 billion that DAL makes. If we go below 28 billion in revenue the trigger for this is not met, and it is not paid out. It is the same percentage of our cots coming out of the slump, so the cost to the company is known as a constant percentage. I like it and it leads to a lot of money per pilot. Some will argue it is to robust, but look at the idea.

This is not in lieu of a pay restoration percentage, it is just another angle to bringing more money to this profession.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by vprMatrix
We could help fix this by paying everyone a :30 min credit for each leg flown to cover time we spend on pre and post flight duties. This would benefit all, but the DC9 and Md88 pilots would see the biggest gain.

Or just go to a 6hr min day for every calendar day you are at work with an exception of 4hrs min if your last day ends prior to 10 AM.
We could be going somewhere. We need to get rid of the min day not applying to red eyes. I hate those 10.5-12.0 hr three days.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
And, who is "Pete?" And why do we care about his "sake?"

His sake (as in rice wine) I could understand...if that clarifies it at all.
: What is the origin/menaing For Pete's Sake?

: From the archives:

: Biblical origins. Think of St Peter. Think of the omnipresent medieval church and think of hitting your thumb with a hammer. You can't swear, else the local priests will have you up before the Bishop and the Lord alone knows what the outcome of that will be, so you exclaim, in appropriate tone of voice, "For Saint Peter's sake" and carry on erecting the shelves. This phrase was amended to "For Pete's Sake" in later, less religiously oppressive, times.

: This is called a "Minced oath," a substitution of a less offensive word.

FOR PETE'S SAKE - The phrase is simply a polite version of a common and profane expression involving the name of Christ. We'd surmise that the original 'Pete' was St. Peter." From "Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins" by William and Mary Morris. Substituting less offensive words - like Godfrey Daniel for the other GD - is called a minced oath.
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
We could be going somewhere. We need to get rid of the min day not applying to red eyes. I hate those 10.5-12.0 hr three days.

The Minimum duty day does apply to red eyes. It applies to any day in which you have a duty period.
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