Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-23-2010, 06:01 PM
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The reps aren't stupid. They've avoided this for a good reason. It is a lose - lose situation for them. The grievances were filed out of emotion, not fact. The negotiators - all of them - set the record straight a year ago. Call your reps and ask. If KW thought he had the support of the reps, he'd still be there.
The easiest thing to do is convince an airline pilot he's getting screwed. A few people with bruised egos are taking advantage of that weakness and perpetuating the myth that these dumb grievances have merit. Has anybody posted the contract passages that were allegedly violated?
The easiest thing to do is convince an airline pilot he's getting screwed. A few people with bruised egos are taking advantage of that weakness and perpetuating the myth that these dumb grievances have merit. Has anybody posted the contract passages that were allegedly violated?
04-23-2010, 06:05 PM
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Pretty ballsy of Cleveland to wait that long. They were projected to pick him in the 2nd round. It should be a good fit for him because it'll give him a shot at the starting gig and leading the team.
Pretty classy of Coach Mack Brown for being there to call his name. He's the only coach that i saw that did that.
Pretty classy of Coach Mack Brown for being there to call his name. He's the only coach that i saw that did that.
04-23-2010, 06:07 PM
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I knew she was the woman of my dreams when she kicked Jack Shepard's butt down in the Hydra Station. Who knew 'the others' had a boot camp
04-23-2010, 06:13 PM
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As long as some people can gain political advantage by letting this dog of a grievance fester, it will continue to fester. The language is clear, the negotiators are clear, there is no grievance, the contract is being followed. Due to the upheaval from the Merger, many North pilots are in a turmoil. This turmoil is being exploited, successfully, for some political agendas. As long as they continue to be successful, this will continue to fester.
Can we get a separate thread for the ALPA wonks to go cage fight in.
04-23-2010, 06:17 PM
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And T will be tossed out the second his keyboard explodes when Tebow carries the Broncos to the Superbowl despite having a broken leg and throwing arm.
04-23-2010, 06:20 PM
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George:
Congratulations to you and your wife.
Now you'll have to go flying to catch up on your sleep.
All the Best!
Congratulations to you and your wife.
Now you'll have to go flying to catch up on your sleep.
All the Best!
04-23-2010, 06:20 PM
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I'm sure the system could stand to shed a few pounds.
But I'd say this, the chart with the max duty hours allowed given your show time makes things more complicated but its worth it to have that.
But by having different rules for domestic and international and 2-man and augmented crews and so on, it gets extremely fuzzy. Thank goodness for decision trees. I got that out of When Scheduling Calls. I'm looking through the Transition Working Group Notepad right now, thats pretty good stuff that I doubt many DALS guys know about. I highly highly recommend downloading CA 09-12 from deltapilots.org. I'm not versed in the contract, I just have this 1,100 page document on one single PDF file and use CTRL + F.
It'd just be interesting to hear from Alpha, Slow, Sailing, i.e. Slow Alpha Sailing (SAS) or ALPA upon what they'd like to change because they know or should know how it affects other stuff. Part 135 rules is 10 hours of rest. I wish Part 121 would follow that and whatever the rule changes are, if ever, that come down on rest then it'll be interesting to see what that does.
FWIW, I'd love to see a GS/YS/WS decision tree! Imagine how it ends: "PUT SLIP IN, YOU WIN" "PUT THAT SLIP IN AND YOU'RE SCREWED"
But I'd say this, the chart with the max duty hours allowed given your show time makes things more complicated but its worth it to have that.
But by having different rules for domestic and international and 2-man and augmented crews and so on, it gets extremely fuzzy. Thank goodness for decision trees. I got that out of When Scheduling Calls. I'm looking through the Transition Working Group Notepad right now, thats pretty good stuff that I doubt many DALS guys know about. I highly highly recommend downloading CA 09-12 from deltapilots.org. I'm not versed in the contract, I just have this 1,100 page document on one single PDF file and use CTRL + F.
It'd just be interesting to hear from Alpha, Slow, Sailing, i.e. Slow Alpha Sailing (SAS) or ALPA upon what they'd like to change because they know or should know how it affects other stuff. Part 135 rules is 10 hours of rest. I wish Part 121 would follow that and whatever the rule changes are, if ever, that come down on rest then it'll be interesting to see what that does.
FWIW, I'd love to see a GS/YS/WS decision tree! Imagine how it ends: "PUT SLIP IN, YOU WIN" "PUT THAT SLIP IN AND YOU'RE SCREWED"
If the MEC wants to make the reserve system commutable they should start from scratch. If you try to hammer the current system into something it's not, then you will end up with a kludge. Better to start from scratch and design it from the ground up.
If the beef is with Short Call assignments, then that has been chipped away at and should continue to be chipped away. The randomness of the system can be brought under control.
Fallacy number one is that there are "no cost" items. If you want something, the company will make you pay, just like we do when they want something from us. Also, many "low cost" items are deemed that by people that have never costed out a contract or even been involved in negotiations in any fashion. Some things seem low cost but actually cost a lot.
The final note, is that we have been massively overstaffed for a long time now. Some things seem easy to write into a contract when you have way too many reserves. When we finally get back to normal staffing, you will understand how "low cost" becomes "high cost".
My first preference is to add more hours to the reserve guarantee. 70 hours was back from the past when the cap was 75 and it really isn't competitive in the industry now. Since the reserve system is designed around pilots flying a target of 60 hours on reserve on average, if you raise the cap and also raise the target, you will cost jobs. If you raise the cap and leave the target the same, the cost will be higher. Again, that is a decision the MEC will have to make. Getting paid more, makes the hassles of reserve go down smoother.
Making reserve commutable will help some people but also probably cost a lot. One more choice the MEC will make in the future.
04-23-2010, 06:22 PM
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04-23-2010, 06:36 PM
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I wonder if this means they HAVE to move -400 time from DTW, or is this time from the rumored EXTRA -400's we are getting or keeping.
I also wonder if there are about 2200 North pilots who will ignore this rumored opening so I can get to the left seat!
Any seat on that thing is a great job though.
I also wonder if there are about 2200 North pilots who will ignore this rumored opening so I can get to the left seat!
Any seat on that thing is a great job though.
Knew;
Thats what I heard, pulling 2 744s out of mothballs.
04-23-2010, 06:49 PM
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If you are talking about the reserve system, then the MEC has a choice to make. This system was not designed in any way to be a "commutable" system. I am not sure if any pilot group has truly commutable reserve or even commuter friendly reserve but if I would like to hear about if it exists. It seems about 95% of the complaints about reserve are about commuting issues.
If the MEC wants to make the reserve system commutable they should start from scratch. If you try to hammer the current system into something it's not, then you will end up with a kludge. Better to start from scratch and design it from the ground up.
If the beef is with Short Call assignments, then that has been chipped away at and should continue to be chipped away. The randomness of the system can be brought under control.
Fallacy number one is that there are "no cost" items. If you want something, the company will make you pay, just like we do when they want something from us. Also, many "low cost" items are deemed that by people that have never costed out a contract or even been involved in negotiations in any fashion. Some things seem low cost but actually cost a lot.
The final note, is that we have been massively overstaffed for a long time now. Some things seem easy to write into a contract when you have way too many reserves. When we finally get back to normal staffing, you will understand how "low cost" becomes "high cost".
My first preference is to add more hours to the reserve guarantee. 70 hours was back from the past when the cap was 75 and it really isn't competitive in the industry now. Since the reserve system is designed around pilots flying a target of 60 hours on reserve on average, if you raise the cap and also raise the target, you will cost jobs. If you raise the cap and leave the target the same, the cost will be higher. Again, that is a decision the MEC will have to make. Getting paid more, makes the hassles of reserve go down smoother.
Making reserve commutable will help some people but also probably cost a lot. One more choice the MEC will make in the future.
If the MEC wants to make the reserve system commutable they should start from scratch. If you try to hammer the current system into something it's not, then you will end up with a kludge. Better to start from scratch and design it from the ground up.
If the beef is with Short Call assignments, then that has been chipped away at and should continue to be chipped away. The randomness of the system can be brought under control.
Fallacy number one is that there are "no cost" items. If you want something, the company will make you pay, just like we do when they want something from us. Also, many "low cost" items are deemed that by people that have never costed out a contract or even been involved in negotiations in any fashion. Some things seem low cost but actually cost a lot.
The final note, is that we have been massively overstaffed for a long time now. Some things seem easy to write into a contract when you have way too many reserves. When we finally get back to normal staffing, you will understand how "low cost" becomes "high cost".
My first preference is to add more hours to the reserve guarantee. 70 hours was back from the past when the cap was 75 and it really isn't competitive in the industry now. Since the reserve system is designed around pilots flying a target of 60 hours on reserve on average, if you raise the cap and also raise the target, you will cost jobs. If you raise the cap and leave the target the same, the cost will be higher. Again, that is a decision the MEC will have to make. Getting paid more, makes the hassles of reserve go down smoother.
Making reserve commutable will help some people but also probably cost a lot. One more choice the MEC will make in the future.
I've found the more I question the more you find out there is a balance and it does take much to take what seemed like a good idea and turn it into a job, category or base killer for other pilots.
I have an extremely good life living in-base on senior reserve on an overstaffed ATL 88 B category, and overstaffed since I got on it.
But since I'm only 1 bad AE or terrorist strike from praying just to have a job anywhere in the system much less back to the venerable 88 in ATL then I tend to default to seeing the system be better for commuters.
I'd be interested in seeing what an overhauled system would be.
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