acl65pilot

It should be after the three day sell off. I expect it to keep going that way. (Overall)

capncrunch

Nothing against you PG, but you are the same guy that argues commuting is a choice. It is clear looking back on your previous arguments that you only consider yourself. Nothing wrong with that but your comments are taken with a pinch of salt.

Schwanker

From my understanding, this is what was negotiated.

DAL north guys shouldn't expect the MEC to do anything that could benefit them--just look at the track record. The NERDs are stuck with the status quo, as this MEC will never spend negotiating capital on them. Case closed. JMHO.

capncrunch

+1. Just because Moak looked at it and threw it in the waste basket does not make it illegitimate. That much is been proven, he is not interested in North issues.

acl65pilot

His point is that there are guys from National and Pam Am that were hired and paid in accordance to what was agreed when they came over. That agreement was that they would be paid and have their longevity steps paid in accordance with their pre merger airlines policy. As I understand it, that is what he is say was agreed to here, and is no different.

He is not arguing whether or not the practice should be changed. He is stating that to do so would require opening negotiations on the PWa (section 6) and that is not going to happen.

Is this a incorrect read on what is being stated?

It may be fixed going forward, but reread the point made. I would like everyone to get paid on their hire date, but I do not negotiate the PWA.

acl65pilot

FWIW, there are no longer North and South issues, there are Delta pilot issues. These NWA grievances will get a full audience of the Special MEC meeting next month. All the sausage will be made for each member to see.

I want to be one group, not two pre merger groups. If sending these items to arbitration is the answer, then lets to it, and be done with it. If not, let argue it and move on. That is what this MEC meeting is for.

capncrunch

I don't want to start a big fight here but there were many pre merger policies that were dumped for the Delta way, it's odd that this one was not. Does not seem right to pick and choose. We have to live with a sub par reserve system that is Deltas but get the sub par pay system that was NWAs.

This is coming from a Pre NWA guy that does not have a pension.

Superpilot92

Had the situation been reversed I'm sure the DAL mec would've had this fixed. It was in the first joint discussion but was omitted once the joint contract was signed. There's no reason why the small group of us in this situation shouldve been written out like this. The others that are above 12 years are unaffected by this as their pay bumps come on Jan 1st each year.

Not only do we get to maintain a B position with longevity but we also get the smaller DC contribution. That was put in place because our side brought Pension obligations, except no one on the bottom of the list has a pension. Now when a newhire gets hired going forward, they'll get longevity at DOH and a higher DC contribution to those of us that have been here a couple years already. Sound right?

My point is that we all should be treated the same going forward on the next contract.

Denny Crane

Being as my glass is half empty today because I didn't win the powerball, I don't really know how much is going to be solved/resolved at this special MEC meeting. Call me a cynic today but what happens if these issues get voted on at the MEC and, lo and behold, the votes go down "party lines" so to speak and the issues are not pursued? Will an MEC vote really do anything?

Sorry for being a "Debbie Downer" and hopefully the above will not happen.

Denny

capncrunch

+1

I think that is all we are asking. Let it go beyond Moak. If it gets shut down, OK. At least we tried and we can live with that. But when we run it up the flag pole and a Moak throws it away, that is where the angst comes form.