forgot to bid

I'm sure the system could stand to shed a few pounds.

But I'd say this, the chart with the max duty hours allowed given your show time makes things more complicated but its worth it to have that.

But by having different rules for domestic and international and 2-man and augmented crews and so on, it gets extremely fuzzy. Thank goodness for decision trees. I got that out of When Scheduling Calls. I'm looking through the Transition Working Group Notepad right now, thats pretty good stuff that I doubt many DALS guys know about. I highly highly recommend downloading CA 09-12 from deltapilots.org. I'm not versed in the contract, I just have this 1,100 page document on one single PDF file and use CTRL + F.

It'd just be interesting to hear from Alpha, Slow, Sailing, i.e. Slow Alpha Sailing (SAS) or ALPA upon what they'd like to change because they know or should know how it affects other stuff. Part 135 rules is 10 hours of rest. I wish Part 121 would follow that and whatever the rule changes are, if ever, that come down on rest then it'll be interesting to see what that does.

FWIW, I'd love to see a GS/YS/WS decision tree! Imagine how it ends: "PUT SLIP IN, YOU WIN" "PUT THAT SLIP IN AND YOU'RE SCREWED"

forgot to bid

TWG 09-10

Short Call

After the awarding/assigning of next-day open time, the crew scheduler decides how many short all periods he will need the following day and what time coverage is needed. The crew scheduler then takes the remaining unassigned pilots and awards short call taking into account any yellow slips for short call which have been submitted. There is no contractual provision which requires this be done by seniority order, RAW score or any other method.

A pilot on short call is required to be within the general area of his base and promptly available for trip coverage. Since each base has its own travel issues (traffic, weather, etc.), promptly available is not defined in terms of time or distance, but is based upon normal circumstances that can be expected throughout the day or night for that base.

Note: For NYC-based pilots, short call availability may be measured from the pilot’s closest coterminal (EWR, LGA, JFK), without regard to the actual co-terminal to which he is required to report. For LAX-based pilots, short call availability is measured from LAX. (Reminder: LAX is a co-terminal with BUR/LGB/ONT/SNA)

A pilot commuting to short call may inform Crew Scheduling at the time he is notified of his conversion to short call that he will not be contactable during the first two hours of his short call period. If he does so, he must be able to report for a rotation no later than two hours after the start of his short call.

Immediately upon completing a short call period, a reserve pilot reverts to long call status. There is no automatic or routinely required rest following a short call period.

satchip

Super, they are not mixing longevity methods. Your longevity remains the same its just the DAL payroll system is different. 1st of the month check is an advance on last months flying. 15th is the flight pay from the previous month. That's why you don't see changes right away. Your final paycheck should come the month after you retire so it all comes out in the wash. Now I'm only making an uneducated guess as to your issue. I may be totally wrong.

hoserpilot

Hows the IPAD for writing?? That thing as cool as it looks??

forgot to bid

Please tell me there isn't a TSA lego set.

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"I want to get off the stage. Also, I don't think it would be fair to Zachary Quinto," Nimoy told the Toronto Sun, referring to the actor who portrays young Spock in the new Trek film. "He's a terrific actor, he looks the part, and it's time to give him some space. And I'm very flattered the character will continue."

dragon

Spoke to planning today and it seems there will be 744 NYC on the bid. What type of impact would that have? I expected to see it in ATL at some point but NY, I know there are routes that they added just wondering what folks will bid it. The south guys are out (unless there are insufficient bidders) but since this is a new category it would open the plane up to any North guys that can hold it.

forgot to bid

You're going to make the DALN guy living in the NY/PA/MA area wet his pants.

hoserpilot

Nope, not legos. Some other little plastic toys. I think the Fisher Price people that we all had when we were crapping our diapers.

Just got back from day 1 of recurrent....no new news. Didn't even have any old rumors to share.

PS....in honor of Earth Day I'm putting all my empty beer bottles in the recycling bin.

newKnow

So, if you advise scheduling that you will be unavailable because you are traveling in, your short call duty period is still from the original time.

Example to make sure:

• Notified of short call from 1000-2200.

• You tell scheduling that you will be traveling in (ie. 1200 is when you will be there.)

• You duty period for FAR purposes still started at 1000.

Right?

NuGuy

As I understand the story, Whitlow is a guy who caused a BIG ruckus.

Back in the bad old days, reserve didn't count towards your duty day. You could literally sit reserve 24/7, and the duty clock didn't start until you checked in for a trip.

Obviously, this was bad.

A captain for AMR who was on the flight/duty time committee for the APA, decided that he had had enough, and looked through the rules again. He noticed that if you read the regs word for word, you could interpret "reserve" as a "immediate duty to be available", which obviously isn't "rest."

So he tried to see if he could get a letter from the feds asking to interpret it in this fashion.

Lo and behold, a guy in the FAA Chief Council's office named "Whitlow" agreed, and put out a "letter of interpretation" for exactly that. While the letter didn't specifically deal with duty time, it DID deal with looking back to find a rest period.

Uh oh, now people can't sit 24 hours of reserve anymore (thus the genesis of RAP periods in 2000, or there abouts). Now the airlines would need to actually HIRE pilots. Needless to say, this caused the various airline managements a fair amount of angst.

Well, the airlines didn't take this well, and complained to the FAA, something to the effect of "you can't start enforcing your rules this way". The FAA not only disagreed with this, but they also said "no only is it going to be this way, but you got 6 months to make it right"

The various managements, via the ATA and RAA, objected strenously, to the point where they ran it all the way up to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.

The Court said (unanimously, BTW), in essence, "Tough luck, the FAA can interpret the rules anyway they like, because, um, they're the FAA"

You can read about the whole thing here:
FindLaw | Cases and Codes

While ALPA intervened on the appeal to the Circuit Court, it's well worth noting that it was the APA who got off the pot and got us off 24 reserve periods. Kudos to them.

Nu