Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-13-2008, 07:50 AM
#3531
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Nope we all do but with the economy going to crap, it does not mean anything. The pull down is for the economy not the merger. It is quite simple to see. We would not have a legal leg to stand on.
12-13-2008, 07:54 AM
#3532
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Well, let's see. I just went and reread it--"I WILL NOT lose 20+ years of my life whining about how I got screwed by the merger. You might want to consider doing the same." No, you never quoted me directly, but you sure as hell implied it. Nice try though.
And I never insulted your intelligence, just questioned it a bit in hopes of prodding you into clarifying some of your assumptions. How about this, I'll believe you weren't implying I was a whiner who thinks he got screwed if you believe me when I say I think you're very intelligent.
Peace, my new, senior Delta brotha.
And I never insulted your intelligence, just questioned it a bit in hopes of prodding you into clarifying some of your assumptions. How about this, I'll believe you weren't implying I was a whiner who thinks he got screwed if you believe me when I say I think you're very intelligent.
Peace, my new, senior Delta brotha.
I've thought about it, and I too would be sour I was going to be bumped. I just don't want to see us divided over things that are done. I wish we could all be where we wanted to, but I know that can't happen. If you do get displaced, I hope at the very least you get your base of choice. Best Wishes
12-13-2008, 08:10 AM
#3533
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"Force Majeur"
Big legal word for we can do what every we want (the Company). Furlough proctection clauses are nothing more than the illusion of a nice reach around. That has been proven in the past and will be proven once again at DAL.
Big legal word for we can do what every we want (the Company). Furlough proctection clauses are nothing more than the illusion of a nice reach around. That has been proven in the past and will be proven once again at DAL.
12-13-2008, 08:20 AM
#3534
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Big cleansing breath everyone.........now.....exhale......
12-13-2008, 08:21 AM
#3535
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Acl,
While Delta says they do not intend to furlough, I would hate to for the ultra new guys on both list to think that has any actual bearing on what they will do. I would expect them to say they are not going to furlough until the day they announce the furlough. They fully understand that pilots who are going to be furloughed have a high sick rate and such making it difficult for the company to get it ducks in a row prior to the actual furlough.
Case in point the day before the initial 400 furlough announcement at DAL in 2001, I spoke face to face with the DFW chief pilot Ron Dockers or Donckers can't remember is last name concerning me going back to my old job and about possibly taking a leave of absence. He looked me in the eye and said they were not going to furlough and to not pursue the job. I walked out of his office started my trip and the next morning the furlough coordinator called me and said I would be furloughed in 24 days. So I personally would not trust the company or the union for that matter to provide you with any information to plan your life around. We cannot forget that they have absolutely no interest in our lives we are numbers on a piece of paper and/or an expense.
Johnso29,
It may be my mistake on the NW furloughs. I got that information from the SLI transcripts. I did go back and take a quick look and I did make a mistake, the company had contacted the union about furloughing 350 NW pilot but it appears they put it on hold to because of the merger. As far as DAL was concerned I can find no evidence that supports and upcoming DAL furlough but I could have missed something. Concerning the reductions I was simply referring to the 12 to 15% cut that was announced by Delta and is fairly well documented in various press releases as well as on this board.
As far as the early outs being offer to the other employees, I suspect that given the expense and other contractual issues that pilots bring to the table we will be offered something different or they will just furlough. So in that we agree.
While Delta says they do not intend to furlough, I would hate to for the ultra new guys on both list to think that has any actual bearing on what they will do. I would expect them to say they are not going to furlough until the day they announce the furlough. They fully understand that pilots who are going to be furloughed have a high sick rate and such making it difficult for the company to get it ducks in a row prior to the actual furlough.
Case in point the day before the initial 400 furlough announcement at DAL in 2001, I spoke face to face with the DFW chief pilot Ron Dockers or Donckers can't remember is last name concerning me going back to my old job and about possibly taking a leave of absence. He looked me in the eye and said they were not going to furlough and to not pursue the job. I walked out of his office started my trip and the next morning the furlough coordinator called me and said I would be furloughed in 24 days. So I personally would not trust the company or the union for that matter to provide you with any information to plan your life around. We cannot forget that they have absolutely no interest in our lives we are numbers on a piece of paper and/or an expense.
Johnso29,
It may be my mistake on the NW furloughs. I got that information from the SLI transcripts. I did go back and take a quick look and I did make a mistake, the company had contacted the union about furloughing 350 NW pilot but it appears they put it on hold to because of the merger. As far as DAL was concerned I can find no evidence that supports and upcoming DAL furlough but I could have missed something. Concerning the reductions I was simply referring to the 12 to 15% cut that was announced by Delta and is fairly well documented in various press releases as well as on this board.
As far as the early outs being offer to the other employees, I suspect that given the expense and other contractual issues that pilots bring to the table we will be offered something different or they will just furlough. So in that we agree.
As for the rest, please reference my earlier post. It has been edited.
12-13-2008, 08:32 AM
#3536
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Soooo, hoping I dont get F'd, how many of the former NWA dudes want to get out west? Wasn't the group pretty heavy east coast and midwest?
Last edited by Mudhendrvr; 12-13-2008 at 08:32 AM. Reason: omitted something
12-13-2008, 08:37 AM
#3537
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I'm on the 320, and I don't want to go any farther west then MSP. I may not have a choice though.
I think most guys out west are either senior enough for Seattle, or are on the 742 in ANC. I know there are some West Coast commuters, but I don't know how many. Sorry.
12-13-2008, 08:41 AM
#3538
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Are the voluntary out / early retire programs been offered to all new DAL employee groups, including pilots? Any details of what is included and if it would be attractive to any?
12-13-2008, 08:55 AM
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12-13-2008, 09:16 AM
#3540
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If they will give a 4 or 5 year leaves of absence with a guaranteed return I would be all over that. Maybe a fair amount of guys with other income would like to take advantage of such a program and miss out on the upcoming pain but still be able to come back in a few years. This could save a few on the bottom that may not have anything else.
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