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04-20-2010, 11:55 AM
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I have a compensation question. I am a displaced Fo from the ER to the 73 in my 3rd year. ER rate is 100.29 and 73 700/800 is 97.01 for 2010 according to the chart in the PWA, and that equates to 1.6715 and 1.61683 respectively. Now I thought I was pay protected to the ER rates, or if anything the difference between ER and 73 rates which is 1.644165
My first full month of 3rd year pay was March and according to the pay sheet I was only payed 1.625469 What am I missing?
My first full month of 3rd year pay was March and according to the pay sheet I was only payed 1.625469 What am I missing?
04-20-2010, 11:58 AM
Happy to be here
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After you log into DeltaNet, look on the left, under "Flight Ops Resources" click on "Chief Pilot Support Center - CPSC". Then scroll down, and in the middle it will say "Chief Pilot Support Center Latest News" - the first items is "PIREPS - April 2010, CVG Base Newsletter" which is what he's talking about.
Well I'll be, it is there.
FWIW the PIRP numbers are
34 April 30th
11 May 31st.
04-20-2010, 12:03 PM
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Your comment about pilots taking laundry from home is urban myth and hopelessly parochial. Why sell snow blowers in Minneapolis, we don't need them in Peachtree City? 
Think about it - you do a 9 or 12 day trip, you pass through AMS or NRT every 3rd day. You have to have laundry in by 1200 (?) in AMS to get it back by 0900 the next morning. In NRT I believe it is 1200 to get by 1500 the next day. Depending on when you arrive or depart you might only get it done every other pass through. Assuming that most cannot pack for more than 5 days, and might be be up to 6 days between laundry, so when you do get it done on a AMS/NRT layover it might be everything you are carrying, or constantly be cycling 3 days worth through, but $50 won't even cover that.
At the inflated prices the hotels bill the laundry at, $50 (37EU) is roughly 2 uniform shirts, and a pair of trousers, and one change of underwear. Not even the best case 3 days worth.
This is why fNWA had these arrangements. That's why LOA 10 was incorporated. As to intent make sure you ask the negotiators who wrote it as opposed to the ones who survived to the combined MEC.
@ a $50 direct bill limit significant pilot out of pocket expenses will result from company imposed rotation lengths. Trust me we will be seeing more of the longer trips.
Allowing this to stand is a tacit concession.
Think about it - you do a 9 or 12 day trip, you pass through AMS or NRT every 3rd day. You have to have laundry in by 1200 (?) in AMS to get it back by 0900 the next morning. In NRT I believe it is 1200 to get by 1500 the next day. Depending on when you arrive or depart you might only get it done every other pass through. Assuming that most cannot pack for more than 5 days, and might be be up to 6 days between laundry, so when you do get it done on a AMS/NRT layover it might be everything you are carrying, or constantly be cycling 3 days worth through, but $50 won't even cover that.
At the inflated prices the hotels bill the laundry at, $50 (37EU) is roughly 2 uniform shirts, and a pair of trousers, and one change of underwear. Not even the best case 3 days worth.
This is why fNWA had these arrangements. That's why LOA 10 was incorporated. As to intent make sure you ask the negotiators who wrote it as opposed to the ones who survived to the combined MEC.
@ a $50 direct bill limit significant pilot out of pocket expenses will result from company imposed rotation lengths. Trust me we will be seeing more of the longer trips.
Allowing this to stand is a tacit concession.
Overnight Service in by 1600 back by 1000 next day
Both of those are direct bill to DAL
If you go Express for faster service, the direct bill the regular service and the pilot pays the overage at checkout.
For Sailing: We have Asia patterns built that do not have a NRT layover until after Leg #5 / Day 6 of a pattern. You will have 5 days of dirty uniforms in your bag and 5 more legs to fly. 5 days of dirty uniforms is well in excess of $50 and is easily justified by having 5 more legs remaining in the pattern.
When we go to increased flying for the summer the patterns may actually increase in length by another day.
$50 limit direct bill per NRT layover is not realistic for very long patterns that don't have multiple NRT layovers. Perhaps $50 per any layover, not just NRT/AMS, would be better, but is probably overkill.
Side Note: AT one point, fNW tried to do away with direct billing at NRT. The hotel quickly asked them to reinstate it due to all the self-washed laundry being hung out to dry outside the hotel room windows on long poles in full view of the wedding parties at the wedding pavilion in front of the hotel ...
04-20-2010, 12:03 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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It was sent out to your e-mail in box if you subscribe to that portion of it today. It is the CVG PIREP news. It is a company document so I will not post it here.
I bet they post it shortly.
Check The Central Region on the left side of the CPSC screen and see if it is there.
I bet they post it shortly.
Check The Central Region on the left side of the CPSC screen and see if it is there.
Pireps - April 2010
CVG Base Newsletter
04-20-2010, 12:05 PM
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Trying to be hopeful.
04-20-2010, 12:07 PM
Happy to be here
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FtB;
We are accepting apps, they are just not admitting that they are reviewing them!
We are accepting apps, they are just not admitting that they are reviewing them!
04-20-2010, 12:20 PM
Everyday is a weekend!
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After you log into DeltaNet, look on the left, under "Flight Ops Resources" click on "Chief Pilot Support Center - CPSC". Then scroll down, and in the middle it will say "Chief Pilot Support Center Latest News" - the first items is "PIREPS - April 2010, CVG Base Newsletter" which is what he's talking about.
04-20-2010, 12:24 PM
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Negotiating in public. 
As for the mergers:
We will buy AS if it is deemed necessary to keep the Asian feed. I bet we buy HI if they get a HND slot, and we will buy the route authorities or the entire airline of Spirit to compete with American in LA. (That is if the LA governments do not grant more slots to us, which we are asking for)
As for the mergers:
We will buy AS if it is deemed necessary to keep the Asian feed. I bet we buy HI if they get a HND slot, and we will buy the route authorities or the entire airline of Spirit to compete with American in LA. (That is if the LA governments do not grant more slots to us, which we are asking for)
DL has the Tech Ops contract for HA 767 and A330/A350.
From an airframe point of view, HI would be pretty easy to consolidate since their fleet will consist of 717, 767 and A330/350. Their pilots are going to the Airbus campus in Miami and they are already running test tabletop scenarios with the FAA and DAL Maintenance.
04-20-2010, 12:26 PM
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Hey Delta front enders, I have a quick question. I work out on E in ATL and I was curious what Delta's policy was on a walk around after a plane pulls into the gate for you guys? As a ALA I have 10 minutes to find any damage and 15 mins to report it to the coordination tower.
04-20-2010, 12:30 PM
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I have a compensation question. I am a displaced Fo from the ER to the 73 in my 3rd year. ER rate is 100.29 and 73 700/800 is 97.01 for 2010 according to the chart in the PWA, and that equates to 1.6715 and 1.61683 respectively. Now I thought I was pay protected to the ER rates, or if anything the difference between ER and 73 rates which is 1.644165
My first full month of 3rd year pay was March and according to the pay sheet I was only payed 1.625469 What am I missing?
My first full month of 3rd year pay was March and according to the pay sheet I was only payed 1.625469 What am I missing?
I'm sure one of the contract experts can regurgitate the exact language.
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