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I think you missed the point. There is scope in place for Delta flying but what scope is in place if Skyteam became a "virtual airline" that Delta became a feeder for. Now you have to compete with the lowest cost airline of the day like Rebublic, etc.
Major airlines could be put in the same position that the Regionals have and have to compete to be the lowest cost provider in order to get new flyingor just to keep what they have.
Just something to think about.
Major airlines could be put in the same position that the Regionals have and have to compete to be the lowest cost provider in order to get new flyingor just to keep what they have.
Just something to think about.
My point of that thread and previous post was if skyteam started selling their code Dal would become a third party contractor to fly the skyteam code on a Dal flight. I beleive that this is possible. Like I have stated there are percentage ownership protections and that may be about it. That is taken care of if DAL would divest its percentage of ownership in skyteam. There are many ways to do that.
In reality I believe that we will probably merge with AF before they pull this off. Things like foreign ownership and cabatoge stand in the way of both. If I recall skyteam is based somewhere in Europe. I will need to look that up. If they are us based all of this is plausible, but in the end would probably cost them more then it would save.
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I think you missed the point. There is scope in place for Delta flying but what scope is in place if Skyteam became a "virtual airline" that Delta became a feeder for. Now you have to compete with the lowest cost airline of the day like Rebublic, etc.
Major airlines could be put in the same position that the Regionals have and have to compete to be the lowest cost provider in order to get new flyingor just to keep what they have.
Just something to think about.
Major airlines could be put in the same position that the Regionals have and have to compete to be the lowest cost provider in order to get new flyingor just to keep what they have.
Just something to think about.
We have that scope and protection in our contract. As a example the joint venture UA is attempting on international flights would not be possible under the Delta contract.
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I think you missed the point. There is scope in place for Delta flying but what scope is in place if Skyteam became a "virtual airline" that Delta became a feeder for. Now you have to compete with the lowest cost airline of the day like Rebublic, etc.
Major airlines could be put in the same position that the Regionals have and have to compete to be the lowest cost provider in order to get new flyingor just to keep what they have.
Major airlines could be put in the same position that the Regionals have and have to compete to be the lowest cost provider in order to get new flyingor just to keep what they have.
Here's the thing:
Right now, you can't buy a ticket from "SkyTeam". You buy tickets from Delta/Air France/Korean, etc. who cooperate and "codeshare" via the SkyTeam contracts or the Joint Venture agreement.
If something called "SkyTeam" gets a designator code and starts selling airline tickets, then they would be an "air carrier" and any passenger itinerary that included a segment on Delta would be "flying performed by or for the company".
That would include any profit sharing deals, pro-rate deals or fee for departure arrangement.
All such flying has to be performed in accordance with the Delta PWA.
The Delta PWA controls both the number and size of "permitted aircraft" used to perform flying on behalf of the company with other than Delta pilots.
Its all in Sections 1 and 2.
I'm not that familiar with United's scope clause but what they are doing with AerLingus at Dulles would be a clear violation of our Section 1.
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OK I heard this rumor and I hope it is just that.... UAL is SCOP'd to 70 seat a/c at regionals. UAL is now telling their pilots that Republic Airlines will now enter OneWorld as its own airline, selling its own tickets, and will fly E190s with 100 seats as a code share under Star Alliance , thus bypassing SCOPE and the UAL pilots.
So if it does happen... Could it spread here to DAL with SkyTeam? Does anything in our SCOPE prevent it??
So if it does happen... Could it spread here to DAL with SkyTeam? Does anything in our SCOPE prevent it??
Republic could try to join Skyteam and codeshare internationally with Air France/KLM and the rest but could not codeshare with us domestically. I would not hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
Note: Permitted aircraft = 76 seats or less and all the other RJ restrictions
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Hey Guys,
Rumor in the FA lounge is that this summer their flying will increase to 87 hours and no leaves. Although my commuting FA wife is not pleased or amused, something must be going right in Mecca land. I don't recall the average for last year, but it was much lower, probably 75-78 hours with lots of leaves as well.
About a hundred pages back, there were some posts on the MD-90's. Anyone care to update that? How many, and where from? Are we getting any of those Saudi MD-90/MD-11 cockpit aircraft? Anyone know if we're going to update those we do get to the MD-11 cockpit to outfit for NextGen?
Thanks, Waves
Rumor in the FA lounge is that this summer their flying will increase to 87 hours and no leaves. Although my commuting FA wife is not pleased or amused, something must be going right in Mecca land. I don't recall the average for last year, but it was much lower, probably 75-78 hours with lots of leaves as well.
About a hundred pages back, there were some posts on the MD-90's. Anyone care to update that? How many, and where from? Are we getting any of those Saudi MD-90/MD-11 cockpit aircraft? Anyone know if we're going to update those we do get to the MD-11 cockpit to outfit for NextGen?
Thanks, Waves
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Hey Guys,
Rumor in the FA lounge is that this summer their flying will increase to 87 hours and no leaves. Although my commuting FA wife is not pleased or amused, something must be going right in Mecca land. I don't recall the average for last year, but it was much lower, probably 75-78 hours with lots of leaves as well.
About a hundred pages back, there were some posts on the MD-90's. Anyone care to update that? How many, and where from? Are we getting any of those Saudi MD-90/MD-11 cockpit aircraft? Anyone know if we're going to update those we do get to the MD-11 cockpit to outfit for NextGen?
Thanks, Waves
Rumor in the FA lounge is that this summer their flying will increase to 87 hours and no leaves. Although my commuting FA wife is not pleased or amused, something must be going right in Mecca land. I don't recall the average for last year, but it was much lower, probably 75-78 hours with lots of leaves as well.
About a hundred pages back, there were some posts on the MD-90's. Anyone care to update that? How many, and where from? Are we getting any of those Saudi MD-90/MD-11 cockpit aircraft? Anyone know if we're going to update those we do get to the MD-11 cockpit to outfit for NextGen?
Thanks, Waves
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Rumor in the FA lounge is that this summer their flying will increase to 87 hours and no leaves. Although my commuting FA wife is not pleased or amused, something must be going right in Mecca land. I don't recall the average for last year, but it was much lower, probably 75-78 hours with lots of leaves as well.
Sandy Gordon (VP of InFlight) has said in a DeltaTube video the FAs should expect 85-90 hour schedule values Jun-Aug. Also, it's posted no PLOC or CCL for the summer either.
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She said that most FA's will be forced to work at least 87 hours this summer with no leaves. No wonder she's ticked. Ha I guess that's a whole lot better than giving out furlough notices. I won't be seeing her much this summer. I guess we didn't communicate very well since she has only been home 2 days in the past 15. Waves
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Rumor in the FA lounge is that this summer their flying will increase to 87 hours and no leaves. Although my commuting FA wife is not pleased or amused, something must be going right in Mecca land. I don't recall the average for last year, but it was much lower, probably 75-78 hours with lots of leaves as well.
Who would feed their families?
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