acl65pilot

This would be what I was referring to. We would be within the contractual limits in the PWA, but if/when Skyteam became and airline and our flying was then contracted to skyteam. I had a thread on this a month or two ago. After a reading of section one I realized that skyteam is it's own business entity with a corporate structure and the charter airlines own the biggest shares. There is some protection in the pwa from that angle but there are ways around it.
My point of that thread and previous post was if skyteam started selling their code Dal would become a third party contractor to fly the skyteam code on a Dal flight. I beleive that this is possible. Like I have stated there are percentage ownership protections and that may be about it. That is taken care of if DAL would divest its percentage of ownership in skyteam. There are many ways to do that.
In reality I believe that we will probably merge with AF before they pull this off. Things like foreign ownership and cabatoge stand in the way of both. If I recall skyteam is based somewhere in Europe. I will need to look that up. If they are us based all of this is plausible, but in the end would probably cost them more then it would save.

sailingfun

We have that scope and protection in our contract. As a example the joint venture UA is attempting on international flights would not be possible under the Delta contract.

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Matrix-
Here's the thing:

Right now, you can't buy a ticket from "SkyTeam". You buy tickets from Delta/Air France/Korean, etc. who cooperate and "codeshare" via the SkyTeam contracts or the Joint Venture agreement.

If something called "SkyTeam" gets a designator code and starts selling airline tickets, then they would be an "air carrier" and any passenger itinerary that included a segment on Delta would be "flying performed by or for the company".
That would include any profit sharing deals, pro-rate deals or fee for departure arrangement.
All such flying has to be performed in accordance with the Delta PWA.
The Delta PWA controls both the number and size of "permitted aircraft" used to perform flying on behalf of the company with other than Delta pilots.

Its all in Sections 1 and 2.

I'm not that familiar with United's scope clause but what they are doing with AerLingus at Dulles would be a clear violation of our Section 1.

alfaromeo

The answer is no it can't happen and our scope explicitly prevents it. When we did LOA 19, we got contract improvements and the concession was basically unlimited code share on other than permitted aircraft on NWA. Without that exception, the company was limited to the restrictions that were negotiated in the original DL/CO/NW codeshare deal. Now our contract prohibits code sharing on other than permitted aircraft on domestic flights other than the exceptions granted for the Alaska codeshare.

Republic could try to join Skyteam and codeshare internationally with Air France/KLM and the rest but could not codeshare with us domestically. I would not hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

Note: Permitted aircraft = 76 seats or less and all the other RJ restrictions

Waves

Hey Guys,

Rumor in the FA lounge is that this summer their flying will increase to 87 hours and no leaves. Although my commuting FA wife is not pleased or amused, something must be going right in Mecca land. I don't recall the average for last year, but it was much lower, probably 75-78 hours with lots of leaves as well.

About a hundred pages back, there were some posts on the MD-90's. Anyone care to update that? How many, and where from? Are we getting any of those Saudi MD-90/MD-11 cockpit aircraft? Anyone know if we're going to update those we do get to the MD-11 cockpit to outfit for NextGen?

Thanks, Waves

maddogmax

All I can add is that RA said at the LCA meeting last week that he would like to have a total of 60 MD-90's in the fleet. He said they are looking at all options

iaflyer

Do the FAs even visit DeltaNet and read stuff? It's not a rumor...

Sandy Gordon (VP of InFlight) has said in a DeltaTube video the FAs should expect 85-90 hour schedule values Jun-Aug. Also, it's posted no PLOC or CCL for the summer either.

Waves

Thanks Maddog

Waves

Sorry iaflyer, that was my fault. My wife told me the same numbers you said, and I just assumed it was only a rumor. You know what they say about assuming.

She said that most FA's will be forced to work at least 87 hours this summer with no leaves. No wonder she's ticked. Ha I guess that's a whole lot better than giving out furlough notices. I won't be seeing her much this summer. I guess we didn't communicate very well since she has only been home 2 days in the past 15. Waves

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Some of them can't work that much.
Who would feed their families?