Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-15-2010, 07:47 PM
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Plus the nosewheel on the L10 was so far back behind...shorter wheelbase but kind of weird perspective.
04-15-2010, 07:49 PM
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LGA L1011
& 764
And random picture of the night which can be put under the category "been there, done that..."
& 764
And random picture of the night which can be put under the category "been there, done that..."
04-15-2010, 07:55 PM
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And one last, circa 1973.
Those jets were new.
Those jets were new.
04-15-2010, 08:01 PM
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04-15-2010, 08:08 PM
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You know you can get in trouble for putting 'porn' like that on the internet, right?
Now how am I going to get to sleep??
Ahh, the DC-9-30, the RJ of it's day.
Now how am I going to get to sleep??
Ahh, the DC-9-30, the RJ of it's day.
04-15-2010, 09:41 PM
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It is actually the opposite. The original design for the 767-400 was a winglet but the increased span would not allow LGA operations. Delta told Boeing they would not buy the aircraft unless it would fit in LGA since it was intended at the time as a domestic L1011 replacement. The raked wingtip was a redesign to reduce the span and get the aircraft into LGA.
04-15-2010, 10:01 PM
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04-16-2010, 12:11 AM
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I personally contribute 28% to my retirement each year - in order to hit the 415C (happens around sept) Then the contribution is automatically stopped and restarts automatically in January.
In my book, that IS a 28% pay raise.
And yes, I DO want to make more in retirement than a 777A makes today. Don't you?
Scambo
I personally contribute 28% to my retirement each year - in order to hit the 415C (happens around sept) Then the contribution is automatically stopped and restarts automatically in January.
In my book, that IS a 28% pay raise.
And yes, I DO want to make more in retirement than a 777A makes today. Don't you?
Scambo
04-16-2010, 12:13 AM
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What you're actually hitting is the 402(g) individual contribution limit of $16,500. That's the total aggregate amount you can contribute to all employer qualified plans in which you participate. For you to hit the 415(c) limit your employer would have to contribute more than $32,500 and you would have to contribute $16,500 to a single plan.
I'd like to see more DC as well, but I'd rather see more pay first. 14% is well above average for any plan, much less airlines.
I'd like to see more DC as well, but I'd rather see more pay first. 14% is well above average for any plan, much less airlines.
04-16-2010, 12:40 AM
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I'm NOT saying, and you're not saying, that we don't want to ask for both, but, if we assume the total amount available is finite (which is more of a philosophical point than some would claim), then my priorities would be to:
1) Get workrule improvements, so that I work less, or work more comfortably, for the money I do get, and so that extra flying is definitely worth my while, and doesn't cost me in terms of health. You can't tax better workrules.
2) Add a couple % to the DC to get the rest of the way there. I'm guessing no more than 17.5% or so.
THEN
3) Let the rest roll into pay.
With those priorities, I think we all benefit. Those that want more 401(k) contributions are free to add.
There may not be a huge difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying. I presume the "more pay" you refer to would be the result of both payrates and workrule improvements. I'm only making the point that, when the workrules are favorable, and one can fly a low schedule comfortably, then the payrate of the incremental extra flying matters less, because it's just not that painful. Conversely, really high payrates combined with poor workrules makes for a highly taxeable, unenjoyable job.
So while 401(k)'s are a good option for many, the key to a better overall package doesn't start with huge DC funding. The way I see it, it starts with excellent workrules, acceptable DC contributions, then higher payrates.
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