Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
I'm more... repulsed. I'm not an MEC-hater, but I don't want my compensation to come from funds they receive. I want it to come from equipment I fly. Any "compensation" we get in JV's need to come back to us in other forms, i.e. jobs elsewhere. If they want relief somewhere, they pay it elsewhere.
If all we ant are cash payouts from granting relief, we could simply have one multi-millionaire "Delta Pilot", and outsource everything else.
If all we ant are cash payouts from granting relief, we could simply have one multi-millionaire "Delta Pilot", and outsource everything else.
Any one know how many, if any, more PIRP pilots there are that haven't retired yet? Thanks,
Denny
Denny
While I am here on a completely different side note. I am tired of a certain neighbor that incessantly complains about how bad airlines "SUCK" and how much they hate a vacation that includes air travel.
To ****ed after the latest episode to respond right away. Any good snaps or come backs anyone?
To ****ed after the latest episode to respond right away. Any good snaps or come backs anyone?
While I am here on a completely different side note. I am tired of a certain neighbor that incessantly complains about how bad airlines "SUCK" and how much they hate a vacation that includes air travel.
To ****ed after the latest episode to respond right away. Any good snaps or come backs anyone?
To ****ed after the latest episode to respond right away. Any good snaps or come backs anyone?
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So we don't have a countdown to the hiring go/no go decision going yet? You guys disappoint me...
Nu,
I'm a pretty even keel guy and try to see both sides of an issue but, as far as the rig grievance goes, after reading the appropriate contract sections, do you really believe there is a chance of winning? I'm not a lawyer, even though my namesake is one , but the language seems pretty cut and dried. Is there something I'm missing? What is the argument to be used to win?
To all others..........sorry for prolonging this!!
Denny
I'm a pretty even keel guy and try to see both sides of an issue but, as far as the rig grievance goes, after reading the appropriate contract sections, do you really believe there is a chance of winning? I'm not a lawyer, even though my namesake is one , but the language seems pretty cut and dried. Is there something I'm missing? What is the argument to be used to win?
To all others..........sorry for prolonging this!!
Denny
There is more to it. You can't simply read the contract language and say that an issue is black and white. You need to look at what the notes that were taken during the negotiations as well as looking at "past practice".
Over on the north side, grievances were won and lost by what the negotiator's notes said and what past practice was, which, at times, was completely different than what was spelled out in the working agreement.
I've seen seemingly "no win" grievances pay up serious $$, while other "home run" grievances be decided completely in the company's favor.
That's why you take EVERYTHING to bat. You never know how it's going to go. AND that's why letting due process run it's course is so important.
This is really is a no-lose scenario, which is why the stonwalling makes everyone up north so suspicous. Take it to arbitration, you lose, and you can say the procedure was followed, and due process was given. You win, and some pilots get a nice bonus check.
But to actively stonewall the process and side with management against pilots that are constantly reminded that "we all one group now", to the point where a loyal contract admin, who would NEVER say anything about a sitting MEC chair, stands up and cries foul, makes a lot of people really, really wonder about what the heck is going on.
I'll say it again for emphasis: What is the harm in allowing this, and the few remaining northside grievances run their course?
Nu
That is unless your a North guy!
Nu,
I'm a pretty even keel guy and try to see both sides of an issue but, as far as the rig grievance goes, after reading the appropriate contract sections, do you really believe there is a chance of winning? I'm not a lawyer, even though my namesake is one , but the language seems pretty cut and dried. Is there something I'm missing? What is the argument to be used to win?
To all others..........sorry for prolonging this!!
Denny
I'm a pretty even keel guy and try to see both sides of an issue but, as far as the rig grievance goes, after reading the appropriate contract sections, do you really believe there is a chance of winning? I'm not a lawyer, even though my namesake is one , but the language seems pretty cut and dried. Is there something I'm missing? What is the argument to be used to win?
To all others..........sorry for prolonging this!!
Denny
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While I agree with you 100% Sink, you have to remember that on the other side of every JV there is another pilot group who is thinking the same things we are thinking. If we want these JV's to work out long term, then the best option would be to take a snapshot of all flying being performed by both airlines at the time of the JV and agree that none of the existing flights will be shifted to other carriers. Then all future growth within the JV will be shared 50/50. I think getting that and a cut of the revenue benefit for us facilitating these deals could work out well for both sides of each JV we enter into.
As to the issue with nrt and nonrev treatment, wasn't something similiar happening two years ago or so in CDG but far more sinister in that AF nonrevs got on but DAL nonrevs were left behind?
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