capncrunch

Yep, it was full fare. She did not use my bennes to get the ticket.

Is that really my only option?

Denny Crane

Nu,

I'm a pretty even keel guy and try to see both sides of an issue but, as far as the rig grievance goes, after reading the appropriate contract sections, do you really believe there is a chance of winning? I'm not a lawyer, even though my namesake is one , but the language seems pretty cut and dried. Is there something I'm missing? What is the argument to be used to win?

To all others..........sorry for prolonging this!!
Denny

acl65pilot

Yep, I do not see them just upgrading her to be nice. You can always call and ask, but that is about it. Do not expect it to happen in France with the AF gate agents.

1234

I went to the MSP informational meeting today and thought that LM did a nice job.

I did find it humorous when he mentioned the Alpa message board "and that other anonymous web-board".

acl65pilot

No so anonymous anymore

So share the deets!

TheManager

acl....

I am intrigued by the idea of a slice of the revenue generated by the different JV (s).

Could you explain in a little more detail with the math?

We really need just a few things prior to negotiating.

1. Unity. None of the former NWA or DAL BS.

2. Ideas. Fresh thinking. Do we stick with the same formulas from the beginning of the airline industry ( weight/speed/ seats) or do we find new ways of securing income. While we are at it....how about decoupling from the rest of the employees and obtaining health care as a pilot group?

Sink r8

There is no argument. I don't think there ever was. That's what Alfa is trying to articulate. I called a rep earlier on (some months ago) to clarify this, and he never thaught there was a workeable angle, or a point to it at all. I got the impression this was a turf dispute, where the more grievances KW controlled, the more he would be included (i.e. stay in his position). Some on the MEC wanted that, some didn't. I'm pretty sure it was a North/South thing, since the North, for reasons that are their own, liked to have a dual-structure for everything, so that everyone would watch everyone else. KW is a guy they trust, and they wanted their man handling what they felt was their business.

Now, if I understand Nu correctly, he's arguing that Alfa is fanning the flames on an obscure issue by writing entire paragraphs about said issue.

This is a battle about jobs, and about control. The emotional appeal is that it's based on the argument while all the assets and liabilities of the pilot groups are equally shared (i.e. pension contributions), grievances are unrealized assets that belong only to the North pilots. I understand why it would be pretty hard for a North guy that had a legitimate grievance to accept that, this too, is a shared piece, so I can see why this issue was important to some. OTOH, I'm pretty sure having 200+ outstanding grievances limits the payout of each future grievance. Our group has only a handful at any one time, and I think we often succeed. Ergo, I think creating a backlog of unsolved grievances hurts the way the combined group would do business. The next guy to step up to the plate with his silly little girevance would be number 290 in line, or whatever. This is why I think we got with the company (and KW), and hundreds of these things were settled. Which kind of removes the issue, from the average pilot's perspective. But it doesn't solve the personal issue, or the horse-trading, or the inside politics.

Which is why this horse, which was pummelled nearly to death already, still finds it neccessary to rear it's ugly head.

Moving on...

flycrj200

Some times when you list buddy passes on a flight on Travelnet it defaults to Coach on the return leg for some reason. If the buddy pass is listed in Coach, the gate agent can not change it. I have seen it happen several times.

Sink r8

I'm more... repulsed. I'm not an MEC-hater, but I don't want my compensation to come from funds they receive. I want it to come from equipment I fly. Any "compensation" we get in JV's need to come back to us in other forms, i.e. jobs elsewhere. If they want relief somewhere, they pay it elsewhere.

If all we ant are cash payouts from granting relief, we could simply have one multi-millionaire "Delta Pilot", and outsource everything else.

TheManager

While I am here on a completely different side note. I am tired of a certain neighbor that incessantly complains about how bad airlines "SUCK" and how much they hate a vacation that includes air travel.

To ****ed after the latest episode to respond right away. Any good snaps or come backs anyone?