newKnow

I agree. Anyone know what pilot group gets the highest % DC contribution and what it is?

johnso29

Allegiant had no problems making money when oil was $140+ a barrel, & they only fly Douglas. UAL just parked 94 737's, CAL is ridding themselves of older 737's, and AA is loading themselves up with debt buying all those shiny new 737's. If the economy goes down again it's going to cost AA a TON more $$$ to fly those 737's around with empty seats then it will cost DAL to fly the Maddog with empty seats. Kinda simple math.

acl65pilot

I believe it is CAL at 12.75%. Save me the leg work and just tell me!

CVG767A

I would suggest wearing your uniform hat and a long-sleeve uniform shirt. That would tie it all together...

newKnow

No. No. I didn't know. You told me.

georgetg

That's it Johnso!

Delta is working hard to reduce our debt. Right now that's a big burden and its being addressed by buying new 777 outright and paying down the pension fund early...

On the 73N vs MD90 Cortelyou was saying it takes the first 25 days of the month to make just the P&I payments on the 73N. As a result the direct hourly operating costs are $1000+ over the MD90, and that's a no brainer.

Cheers
George

acl65pilot

Paying down the debt from 17-10 billion will relieve us of about 1 billion a year in debt service. That is three 777's a year in saving.

alfaromeo

Well, it is such a moving target. First you are mad at the administration, then you are mad at the old Delta MEC, but now it is just me. Sorry for having a different opinion. I am not sure what you mean by back channel tactics, but I can assure you that my views on this board represent only me, just as I am sure that your views only represent you (right?).

If I were you I wouldn't try to defend that grievance either, it is indefensible. It is a little hilarious, you ask me for my opinion on the grievance and then you are mad when I give it.

The due process is when a grievance is filed, CA then decides if it has merit. If it has merit then the grievance is pursued to a conclusion, either a settlement or a system board. The MEC can also step in and demand a grievance be pursued or abandoned also, that is their right. So the process is being followed, you just aren't getting the outcome you want.

I would easily encourage everyone to go ahead and just take it to a system board, but it puts many people in the position of lying on the stand or agreeing with the company's viewpoint. Those are people that work for "your friend" on the MEC and as a leader it is a rotten thing to do to put them in that position. It also makes the Delta pilots look like fools in front of an arbitrator. When we have a real grievance in the future then we will be remembered as fools and it will make it tougher for us to win. There is also the cost in dollars which is not small.

There are reasons why the process is the way it is. If we took every grievance filed to a system board we would spend our entire MEC budget on grievances. There is no point trying to prosecute a case that is unwinnable.

That is why I feel that a real leader who is a fNWA rep on the MEC should stand up and do the right thing. Explain to your fellow pilots that this was a mistake and it is time to let it go. You will take heat from a few idiots, but pilots are smart (except me of course) and they will understand the truth when you tell it to them.

DAL73n

You don't know the half of it - set at age 65 I will only make it to 54% and can't even hold narrowbody captain out west (73N/320 LAX/SLC).

I guess I'm a career first officer. Hard to believe I could spend 23 years at DAL and not sit left seat.

alfaromeo

United is 15%. They have a B plan and a C plan. Don't know the difference between the two.