Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-13-2010, 06:33 AM
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That's why we will never see significant profits and certainly no "profit sharing" at Delta. Its almost become irrelevant who an airline's "owners" are. The common shareholders are secondary. Nothing but placeholders for other interests.
Delta is actually very profitable right now. It just doesn't show up on Delta's books. We generate enormous profits for bondholders, banks, Boeing, American Express, vendors, hotels, cruise ships, airports, governments, etc. etc. etc. and of course, executives.
Delta is actually very profitable right now. It just doesn't show up on Delta's books. We generate enormous profits for bondholders, banks, Boeing, American Express, vendors, hotels, cruise ships, airports, governments, etc. etc. etc. and of course, executives.
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Very interestering. I flew with a Captain who had the exact same thoughts. He was convinced that DAL was an ATM generating huge amounts of cash, but due to structural changes in the industry the days of posting hundred million dollar profits were over. Time will tell.
It sure would be nice to get some profit sharing $ for 2010.
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04-13-2010, 06:40 AM
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04-13-2010, 06:40 AM
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Nobody called you a "wierdo". I suppose the rest was a little close the nerve.
Whose the dog with the bone in his mouth ? He must be an excellent addition to the 'mission'. Perfect atitude. Isn't that right boy ? Good dog.
I can hear him now ..... " Oh were you in the Military ? Can you tell me a story about snorkelling and teabagging ? I'd love to be a team member. They wouldn't let me in the military but I wanted to ... Pant, Pant.
You guys are like a bum that jumps on your windshield and attempts to clean it. As you drive away he squeels at you " I'm a winner. I used to be a a highly paid executive".
Carry on. This is more entertaining than a low speed car accident
Whose the dog with the bone in his mouth ? He must be an excellent addition to the 'mission'. Perfect atitude. Isn't that right boy ? Good dog.
I can hear him now ..... " Oh were you in the Military ? Can you tell me a story about snorkelling and teabagging ? I'd love to be a team member. They wouldn't let me in the military but I wanted to ... Pant, Pant.
You guys are like a bum that jumps on your windshield and attempts to clean it. As you drive away he squeels at you " I'm a winner. I used to be a a highly paid executive".
Carry on. This is more entertaining than a low speed car accident
04-13-2010, 06:42 AM
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04-13-2010, 06:44 AM
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My bet is grab used 320s if push comes to shove. Especially if Airbus comes out with a mod to current 320s. I mean Boeing was talking extending the nose wheel to get more efficient engines but I think the 320 can be tinkered with.
Actually, if we're grabbing "older" or no longer in production planes like a 90 then my bet is why not wait a few years and grab used 320s and 737s. By that time B&A might have announced their intent to look at a definite maybe possibly starting one day a 737/A320 replacement.
Also say fuel goes to $180bb and remains there but we can't raise prices. I'd like to think you'd see the complete elimination of 50-seaters and possibly keeping only some of the larger RJs and having larger aircraft flying routes with less frequency. Maybe or maybe not, I haven't thought that out yet.
Actually, if we're grabbing "older" or no longer in production planes like a 90 then my bet is why not wait a few years and grab used 320s and 737s. By that time B&A might have announced their intent to look at a definite maybe possibly starting one day a 737/A320 replacement.
Also say fuel goes to $180bb and remains there but we can't raise prices. I'd like to think you'd see the complete elimination of 50-seaters and possibly keeping only some of the larger RJs and having larger aircraft flying routes with less frequency. Maybe or maybe not, I haven't thought that out yet.
04-13-2010, 06:46 AM
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Waves, if oil goes to 180 in the next five years we all are going to need things to heat our house as this job will not be worth much and neither will the dollar......
04-13-2010, 06:46 AM
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Our first MD's were 82's with round dials. They were converted to 88's with the poor man's glass screens.
04-13-2010, 06:56 AM
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The reason is that most of the numbers posted here are far from reality. There are so many issues with older airframes it just does not make sense to keep them for most airlines. In fact the smaller airlines that decided to go with new equipment have either done well or turned around such as Spirit and Jet Blue as examples of doing well and a turn around.
You have to deal with noise and slot issues, aging airframe inspections, increased overall maintenance costs before you even talk about fuel.
If you have a jet that is 30 percent more efficient on fuel the overall savings is enormous at 80 dollars a barrel and can easily pay the lease payment and more each month. The problem at Delta is management simply does not want a 100 seat aircraft. Its not coming and there wont be a purchase regardless of what we do with scope. They will mention it and really start to dangle it out there in the 2012 contract but in the end just like every other time the last 20 years the airframes wont show up.
You have to deal with noise and slot issues, aging airframe inspections, increased overall maintenance costs before you even talk about fuel.
If you have a jet that is 30 percent more efficient on fuel the overall savings is enormous at 80 dollars a barrel and can easily pay the lease payment and more each month. The problem at Delta is management simply does not want a 100 seat aircraft. Its not coming and there wont be a purchase regardless of what we do with scope. They will mention it and really start to dangle it out there in the 2012 contract but in the end just like every other time the last 20 years the airframes wont show up.
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04-13-2010, 07:06 AM
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I have a question for TOGA LK.
Why is it that you ask this question of a specific group of Delta pilots when the Alaska code share was imported from the NWA CBA? It was the NWA (primarily Seattle) operation that required AS feed (over 20,000 coded flights per month).
Nobody is "excited" about outsourcing. I think many on here are realistic, however. There's no way DAL could have profitably replaced the AS feed that was already under contract. Not having that feed means no West Coast gateways for Delta pilots.
Why is it that you ask this question of a specific group of Delta pilots when the Alaska code share was imported from the NWA CBA? It was the NWA (primarily Seattle) operation that required AS feed (over 20,000 coded flights per month).
Nobody is "excited" about outsourcing. I think many on here are realistic, however. There's no way DAL could have profitably replaced the AS feed that was already under contract. Not having that feed means no West Coast gateways for Delta pilots.
Just makes the case for our next contract, all flying over 70 seats will be by Delta pilots or maybe the old Cobra will rear it's head again. No domestic codeshares.
04-13-2010, 07:12 AM
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I have a sneaky suspicion he will become "numero uno" at some point.
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