Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-11-2010, 12:15 PM
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Tomcat,
That sub joint in the airport (Lenny's) has some great subs as well. Enjoy MEM.
That sub joint in the airport (Lenny's) has some great subs as well. Enjoy MEM.
04-11-2010, 12:17 PM
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)Interstate BBQ, I'm there! I went to a meat & 3 for lunch the next day...... Forgot some of the things I missed about the South.
04-11-2010, 12:19 PM
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04-11-2010, 12:20 PM
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Ferd, The Delta manning formula is based on block hours. We do not use number of jets at all. Rolling thunder is not what the company uses to cover trips. It is a method pilots have used to make a lot of money on reserve. The company hates Rolling thunder and tried to eliminate the section of the contract that allows pilots to use it in the 1113 process by eliminating the payback days on a reserve greenslip. They will try and do that again on the next contract.
When both sides met to try and produce a combined contract one reason the Delta contract was used as the base was that when the numbers were run it produced a lot more dollars in each pilots pocket then the NWA contract. The problem you have is that NW pilots are trying to compare their earnings in 09 after a huge economic collapse to earnings in prior years. I just did my taxes and I earned 35,000 fewer dollars in 09 then 08. It was a fact of reduced flying for both Delta and NWA pilots not the contract. In the 3 years before the merger I earned about 30,000 a year more then a NWA pilot hired a year ahead of me on the same equipment. Our combined incomes were much closer in 09 and will be about the same in 10 I suspect.
. I agree with the rest. I'm flying a lot less (by choice) right now so I have no figures either way. As to GS vs 1.5 over 80........Ill accept your economic analysis, but I don't think it spreads the money around as well. I know I've seen my last overtime $$ as I can't and won't commute to it. Nothing personal, but I don't think you've seen the last of this issue mr union dude. Will it be part of Wilson polling?Had their been no merger NWA incomes for pilots would have been way down. The fareast collapsed faster and deeper then any other travel sector. The good news is that it now appears the far east may be recovering at a faster rate then other markets so hopefully the future will bring more income for all Delta pilots N and S.
04-11-2010, 12:27 PM
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Tomcat,
You just left training. Any word on what's in and what's out in the upcoming AE?
You just left training. Any word on what's in and what's out in the upcoming AE?
04-11-2010, 12:47 PM
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Thanks T, remember when GS's were just awarded by seniority only? That was fantastic when I was #3 on the aircraft, but when I moved to a different seat it sucked. Ha They didn't spread the wealth at all. It was always just a handful of guys at the top who were just making a killing. No kidding, I remember a Captain years ago before the big pay raise we got, and he made almost $500K when most Captains were making less than $200K. I still beleive seniority should have its priveleges, but there should certainly be a limit to this. I don't have tany answers to which method is best, but I would certainly be up for 1.5X for any overtime flying and 2X for holidays. I guess my sticking point is what is overtime? I think it would have to be no more than 78 hours. Just my thoughts.
04-11-2010, 12:53 PM
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. Seriously, I think both sided used figures to paint the picture they wanted. The one I remember was the discussion on the range of the A330. I knew both of us used rereleases (I forget what you guys call it, I'm only half through WWO) but your lawyer talked like he'd never heard of such a thing and there was no way the plane could fly as far as we were using itI'll freely admit, I just scanned your stuff but read mine more closely just hoping we had landed a punch or two. I was under no delusions as to what was going to happen
Ferd
04-11-2010, 01:12 PM
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Tsquare, I'm not the one who stole Kiffin so back off. You obviously didn't see my follow up post. We used to have a reserve system with reserve guarantee tied to the alv,as the alv went up so did the reserve guarantee. This would cause the company to have a choice when they raised the alv,they knew it was going to cost them, a deterrent to continually run high alv's thus requiring more bodies in category.If you just raise the min guar. for reserves the company has : a) more reserve hours to work with possibly causing the loss of a few bodies. b) the alv will still be run high because it requires less manning,again less bodies.
I presume you are a reserve 76er capt.,so you want more pay and less positions ? Now who's pulling up the ladder. Roll Tide
P.S. I know from your prior posts that is not what you are saying or want.I bet we want the same thing,Improvements in all areas of the contract(including reserve) and ZERO scope give backs. The 1 point that I was trying but obviously failed to make is: If we have to make choices let the choice be the one that benefits the majority of our pilots, not the top 10% nor the bottom 10%. Peace
I presume you are a reserve 76er capt.,so you want more pay and less positions ? Now who's pulling up the ladder. Roll Tide
P.S. I know from your prior posts that is not what you are saying or want.I bet we want the same thing,Improvements in all areas of the contract(including reserve) and ZERO scope give backs. The 1 point that I was trying but obviously failed to make is: If we have to make choices let the choice be the one that benefits the majority of our pilots, not the top 10% nor the bottom 10%. Peace
ahhhh I'll let this go.. the same way I did Kiffin. (I do hope that USC gets the death penalty under his watch though
). Oh.. and one last thing for you SEC fans to think about. There are now TWO departures in ATL that are named for UT coaches... Summit and Dooley. bwaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaa
GO VOLS
04-11-2010, 01:15 PM
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I don't know that they were wrong........I just think figures always lie and lairs always figure. Seriously, I think both sided used figures to paint the picture they wanted. The one I remember was the discussion on the range of the A330. I knew both of us used rereleases (I forget what you guys call it, I'm only half through WWO) but your lawyer talked like he'd never heard of such a thing and there was no way the plane could fly as far as we were using it
I'll freely admit, I just scanned your stuff but read mine more closely just hoping we had landed a punch or two. I was under no delusions as to what was going to happen
Ferd
. Seriously, I think both sided used figures to paint the picture they wanted. The one I remember was the discussion on the range of the A330. I knew both of us used rereleases (I forget what you guys call it, I'm only half through WWO) but your lawyer talked like he'd never heard of such a thing and there was no way the plane could fly as far as we were using itI'll freely admit, I just scanned your stuff but read mine more closely just hoping we had landed a punch or two. I was under no delusions as to what was going to happen
Ferd
I guess the most important thing of all, is no matter what the past, we are all now in this together. Whats good for me, undoubtedly will be good for you as well. At least for the most part anyway. I also think that guys complaining about various things here should not be squashed and told to shut lips. I actually welcome the debate, but I do want to understand why there are complaints. Complaints about reserve, schedules, work rules, etc certainly have merit, but when I see stuff like the previous issue, I have to stop and ask questions. If I am not welcome here to inquire and learn through debate, as Super has indicated, then I will gladly leave this forum and never return.
This is something that all of us can relate to. If it makes you feel any better, today I realized it is Sunday and all of my refrigerators are completely void of beer. This is perhaps the largest catastrophe I have had to come to terms with in years. LOL And you guys are complaining. If you had this problem, you'd really be crying out loud. LOL
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04-11-2010, 01:48 PM
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