Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-10-2010, 11:29 PM
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Holy Moly, Gentlemen. I leave for the day and it's started (again).
My estimate is that this North v. South flareup occurs once ever 10 days or so. It reminds me of a joke that was sent to me.....
[Joke]
I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes you just get soooo stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah, well I couldn't believe it.... he was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted, 'I AM NOT HAPPY!!!' So, I looked down at him and said, 'Well, then which one are you?' And that's how the fight started.....
[End Joke]
To me, it seems that whenever a North guy shouts, "I am not happy!!!" inevitably, someone will reply with something like this...
Or, this....
Then somehow the discussion gets turned onto who got pay raises, or a windfall, or better bases, or better reserve rules, or whatever.
And that's how the fight starts......
I will concede that sometimes if North guys framed suggestions and observations in a little less accusatory way, things would be better. I'm sure I would take offense if someone continuously told me that the way had been doing things for years was wrong or stupid or dumb. I hope to be able to frame my discussions on the New DAL policies and procedures and where we should go from here in a less offensive way. But, posts like the ones above don't help either.
I don't understand why how much of a pay raise the North group got or didn't get has anything to do with any discussion on here. Is this an implication that this alleged extra money should buy our silence? Are you saying that we should just be grateful and not offer our advice acquired through cheap experience? Please. This is insulting, too.
It's time for us to stop this. We need to police each other regardless of color or side. I've seen 80k call out South guys for post like the above and I've seen Super do the same to North guys. Good for both of you. Keep it up. It's funny how the young guys on here seem to be the most mature.
By the way, more cheerleader pics please, Super and 80!
Carry on.
New K
My estimate is that this North v. South flareup occurs once ever 10 days or so. It reminds me of a joke that was sent to me.....
[Joke]
I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes you just get soooo stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah, well I couldn't believe it.... he was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted, 'I AM NOT HAPPY!!!' So, I looked down at him and said, 'Well, then which one are you?' And that's how the fight started.....
[End Joke]
To me, it seems that whenever a North guy shouts, "I am not happy!!!" inevitably, someone will reply with something like this...
Or, this....
Then somehow the discussion gets turned onto who got pay raises, or a windfall, or better bases, or better reserve rules, or whatever.
And that's how the fight starts......
I will concede that sometimes if North guys framed suggestions and observations in a little less accusatory way, things would be better. I'm sure I would take offense if someone continuously told me that the way had been doing things for years was wrong or stupid or dumb. I hope to be able to frame my discussions on the New DAL policies and procedures and where we should go from here in a less offensive way. But, posts like the ones above don't help either.
I don't understand why how much of a pay raise the North group got or didn't get has anything to do with any discussion on here. Is this an implication that this alleged extra money should buy our silence? Are you saying that we should just be grateful and not offer our advice acquired through cheap experience? Please. This is insulting, too.
It's time for us to stop this. We need to police each other regardless of color or side. I've seen 80k call out South guys for post like the above and I've seen Super do the same to North guys. Good for both of you. Keep it up. It's funny how the young guys on here seem to be the most mature.
By the way, more cheerleader pics please, Super and 80!
Carry on.
New K
Looking to the future. Good post.
keenster
04-11-2010, 12:06 AM
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Holy Moly, Gentlemen. I leave for the day and it's started (again).
My estimate is that this North v. South flareup occurs once ever 10 days or so. It reminds me of a joke that was sent to me.....
[Joke]
I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes you just get soooo stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah, well I couldn't believe it.... he was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted, 'I AM NOT HAPPY!!!' So, I looked down at him and said, 'Well, then which one are you?' And that's how the fight started.....
[End Joke]
To me, it seems that whenever a North guy shouts, "I am not happy!!!" inevitably, someone will reply with something like this...
Or, this....
Then somehow the discussion gets turned onto who got pay raises, or a windfall, or better bases, or better reserve rules, or whatever.
And that's how the fight starts......
I will concede that sometimes if North guys framed suggestions and observations in a little less accusatory way, things would be better. I'm sure I would take offense if someone continuously told me that the way had been doing things for years was wrong or stupid or dumb. I hope to be able to frame my discussions on the New DAL policies and procedures and where we should go from here in a less offensive way. But, posts like the ones above don't help either.
I don't understand why how much of a pay raise the North group got or didn't get has anything to do with any discussion on here. Is this an implication that this alleged extra money should buy our silence? Are you saying that we should just be grateful and not offer our advice acquired through cheap experience? Please. This is insulting, too.
It's time for us to stop this. We need to police each other regardless of color or side. I've seen 80k call out South guys for post like the above and I've seen Super do the same to North guys. Good for both of you. Keep it up. It's funny how the young guys on here seem to be the most mature.
By the way, more cheerleader pics please, Super and 80!
Carry on.
New K
My estimate is that this North v. South flareup occurs once ever 10 days or so. It reminds me of a joke that was sent to me.....
[Joke]
I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes you just get soooo stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah, well I couldn't believe it.... he was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted, 'I AM NOT HAPPY!!!' So, I looked down at him and said, 'Well, then which one are you?' And that's how the fight started.....
[End Joke]
To me, it seems that whenever a North guy shouts, "I am not happy!!!" inevitably, someone will reply with something like this...
Or, this....
Then somehow the discussion gets turned onto who got pay raises, or a windfall, or better bases, or better reserve rules, or whatever.
And that's how the fight starts......
I will concede that sometimes if North guys framed suggestions and observations in a little less accusatory way, things would be better. I'm sure I would take offense if someone continuously told me that the way had been doing things for years was wrong or stupid or dumb. I hope to be able to frame my discussions on the New DAL policies and procedures and where we should go from here in a less offensive way. But, posts like the ones above don't help either.
I don't understand why how much of a pay raise the North group got or didn't get has anything to do with any discussion on here. Is this an implication that this alleged extra money should buy our silence? Are you saying that we should just be grateful and not offer our advice acquired through cheap experience? Please. This is insulting, too.
It's time for us to stop this. We need to police each other regardless of color or side. I've seen 80k call out South guys for post like the above and I've seen Super do the same to North guys. Good for both of you. Keep it up. It's funny how the young guys on here seem to be the most mature.
By the way, more cheerleader pics please, Super and 80!
Carry on.
New K
Denny
04-11-2010, 02:59 AM
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NewK.............great post, wish I could still write that well!
I had responded to a post from TSquare that I pulled down because it wasn't nearly as well written.
I think we jump on each other due to our own frustrations with the merger itself. NONE of us wanted this merger, but here we are, (and overall, I agree it's working out to be a good thing). I know personally (my move for family reasons) and professionally this has been the year from hell. Somewhere along the line I just got "transitioned out". EVERYTHING pi$$ed me off and I did start taking it out on a few guys on here.....and why I had to just get away for awhile. Case in point, I had to start, turn off and restart the AWABS and Flight Planning stuff about 4 or 5 times before I was able to get it done. Add to that PBS, AEs, voice response passwords etc. My fault and like I said, I was starting to make it other people's fault.
I feel some guys frustrations about CVG. I'm truly sorry, honest and I truly don't know how I'd react. But, I'd probably hold it against me too..........but hey, looks like you guys got my nicer Saipans (no such thing any more as a great Saipan
) so it cant be all bad (just kidding)
It's time we all lightened up somewhat, and that starts with me.
Ferd
I had responded to a post from TSquare that I pulled down because it wasn't nearly as well written.
I think we jump on each other due to our own frustrations with the merger itself. NONE of us wanted this merger, but here we are, (and overall, I agree it's working out to be a good thing). I know personally (my move for family reasons) and professionally this has been the year from hell. Somewhere along the line I just got "transitioned out". EVERYTHING pi$$ed me off and I did start taking it out on a few guys on here.....and why I had to just get away for awhile. Case in point, I had to start, turn off and restart the AWABS and Flight Planning stuff about 4 or 5 times before I was able to get it done. Add to that PBS, AEs, voice response passwords etc. My fault and like I said, I was starting to make it other people's fault.
I feel some guys frustrations about CVG. I'm truly sorry, honest and I truly don't know how I'd react. But, I'd probably hold it against me too..........but hey, looks like you guys got my nicer Saipans (no such thing any more as a great Saipan
) so it cant be all bad (just kidding)It's time we all lightened up somewhat, and that starts with me.
Ferd
Last edited by Ferd149; 04-11-2010 at 03:11 AM.
04-11-2010, 03:51 AM
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I'd say that's worth a little something right there.
04-11-2010, 04:10 AM
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Well,
I for one can say that I was a big proponent of the merger. There were two very good carriers with very complimentary route systems and most importantly a very bight future. As a former NWA guy I was glad to get rid of the NWA anti labor culture.
The problem I see is that some on here think that Delta acquired NWA which in their opinion was a broken down carrier with little value. That could not be farther than the truth. NWA was flush with cash, over 5 billion, had fortress hubs with excellent facilities, a highly profitable joint venture with KLM and the pacific op. The latter has been ridiculed by many south guys until they get over there and see it. I think where our frustration stems from is that NWA guys have had a unique perspective of seeing how both airlines do thing. There are some things that Delta does very well and others which leave most of us shaking our heads.
This was a merger of two equals and NWA was actually in better financial shape than DAL. This IS a fine airline now and DAL has a great future ahead. But let's not forget that is was TWO good carriers that came together to form one great airline.
I for one can say that I was a big proponent of the merger. There were two very good carriers with very complimentary route systems and most importantly a very bight future. As a former NWA guy I was glad to get rid of the NWA anti labor culture.
The problem I see is that some on here think that Delta acquired NWA which in their opinion was a broken down carrier with little value. That could not be farther than the truth. NWA was flush with cash, over 5 billion, had fortress hubs with excellent facilities, a highly profitable joint venture with KLM and the pacific op. The latter has been ridiculed by many south guys until they get over there and see it. I think where our frustration stems from is that NWA guys have had a unique perspective of seeing how both airlines do thing. There are some things that Delta does very well and others which leave most of us shaking our heads.
This was a merger of two equals and NWA was actually in better financial shape than DAL. This IS a fine airline now and DAL has a great future ahead. But let's not forget that is was TWO good carriers that came together to form one great airline.
04-11-2010, 05:01 AM
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Enuff;
Correct you are, and as all things go, those in charge will not always pick what WE think as best but what they think is best. There are always reasons for that.
04-11-2010, 06:00 AM
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2=Sim # so you're in Sim 2
2=Sim Period & I think it starts @ 0900
I believe this is all available in LMS in your respective CQ/SRQ/MRQ/LRQ handbooks. Hope this helps.
04-11-2010, 06:16 AM
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Well,
I for one can say that I was a big proponent of the merger. There were two very good carriers with very complimentary route systems and most importantly a very bight future. As a former NWA guy I was glad to get rid of the NWA anti labor culture.
The problem I see is that some on here think that Delta acquired NWA which in their opinion was a broken down carrier with little value. That could not be farther than the truth. NWA was flush with cash, over 5 billion, had fortress hubs with excellent facilities, a highly profitable joint venture with KLM and the pacific op. The latter has been ridiculed by many south guys until they get over there and see it. I think where our frustration stems from is that NWA guys have had a unique perspective of seeing how both airlines do thing. There are some things that Delta does very well and others which leave most of us shaking our heads.
This was a merger of two equals and NWA was actually in better financial shape than DAL. This IS a fine airline now and DAL has a great future ahead. But let's not forget that is was TWO good carriers that came together to form one great airline.
I for one can say that I was a big proponent of the merger. There were two very good carriers with very complimentary route systems and most importantly a very bight future. As a former NWA guy I was glad to get rid of the NWA anti labor culture.
The problem I see is that some on here think that Delta acquired NWA which in their opinion was a broken down carrier with little value. That could not be farther than the truth. NWA was flush with cash, over 5 billion, had fortress hubs with excellent facilities, a highly profitable joint venture with KLM and the pacific op. The latter has been ridiculed by many south guys until they get over there and see it. I think where our frustration stems from is that NWA guys have had a unique perspective of seeing how both airlines do thing. There are some things that Delta does very well and others which leave most of us shaking our heads.
This was a merger of two equals and NWA was actually in better financial shape than DAL. This IS a fine airline now and DAL has a great future ahead. But let's not forget that is was TWO good carriers that came together to form one great airline.
Here we go:
I vehemently disagree. I think that statement is totally false. I don't think anyone on this site or in the pilot lounge saw NWA's as a broken down carrier with little value. That would be Pan Am.
NWA's was a good ledgendary solvent carrier with a viable route structure, a mixed good/bad fleet, and more cash in the bank than DAL. No one I know or have spoken with has EVER indicated, inferred, stated, believed, expressed or implied the above bold statement. The problem as many DAL S people see it is DAL N's self perceived overinflated value of NWA's. OMG, if you read the SLI transcripts of the North side, it would lead you to believe NWA's was the premiere carrier of the entire world with your "Super Premium Flying," and Fifth Freedom. If you can invent a new industry term for the 16 747's, then maybe it should have been accompanied by "Super Crappy Flying" with the 69 DC-9's. Your 16 747's, your Fifth Freedom, and your 18 787 never gonna happen orders, does not make NWA's superior. It makes us as you say, "equals." I'm good with that.
04-11-2010, 06:23 AM
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Waves, equal, one good, one bad, it really is water under the bridge.
We are integrated, operationally, contractually, and seniority wise. What was is in the past, and the sooner we stop laying our Johnson's out on the table the sooner we will be able to move forward and create unity with in turn will create leverage. 12200 pilots is a big stick.
The time to argue the finer points of which carrier had what was during the SLI talks. That is arbitrated and settled. Anyone who still thinks there is anything to gain by reliving it, please prove it. IMHO, it solves nothing except to be divisive.
We are integrated, operationally, contractually, and seniority wise. What was is in the past, and the sooner we stop laying our Johnson's out on the table the sooner we will be able to move forward and create unity with in turn will create leverage. 12200 pilots is a big stick.
The time to argue the finer points of which carrier had what was during the SLI talks. That is arbitrated and settled. Anyone who still thinks there is anything to gain by reliving it, please prove it. IMHO, it solves nothing except to be divisive.
04-11-2010, 06:39 AM
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Well,
I for one can say that I was a big proponent of the merger. There were two very good carriers with very complimentary route systems and most importantly a very bight future. As a former NWA guy I was glad to get rid of the NWA anti labor culture.
The problem I see is that some on here think that Delta acquired NWA which in their opinion was a broken down carrier with little value. That could not be farther than the truth. NWA was flush with cash, over 5 billion, had fortress hubs with excellent facilities, a highly profitable joint venture with KLM and the pacific op. The latter has been ridiculed by many south guys until they get over there and see it. I think where our frustration stems from is that NWA guys have had a unique perspective of seeing how both airlines do thing. There are some things that Delta does very well and others which leave most of us shaking our heads.
This was a merger of two equals and NWA was actually in better financial shape than DAL. This IS a fine airline now and DAL has a great future ahead. But let's not forget that is was TWO good carriers that came together to form one great airline.
I for one can say that I was a big proponent of the merger. There were two very good carriers with very complimentary route systems and most importantly a very bight future. As a former NWA guy I was glad to get rid of the NWA anti labor culture.
The problem I see is that some on here think that Delta acquired NWA which in their opinion was a broken down carrier with little value. That could not be farther than the truth. NWA was flush with cash, over 5 billion, had fortress hubs with excellent facilities, a highly profitable joint venture with KLM and the pacific op. The latter has been ridiculed by many south guys until they get over there and see it. I think where our frustration stems from is that NWA guys have had a unique perspective of seeing how both airlines do thing. There are some things that Delta does very well and others which leave most of us shaking our heads.
This was a merger of two equals and NWA was actually in better financial shape than DAL. This IS a fine airline now and DAL has a great future ahead. But let's not forget that is was TWO good carriers that came together to form one great airline.
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