Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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I looked but still doesn't make any sense. The only number I care about is which one is the brf/sim time.
My response to your post was complete sarcasm. I agree with you 100%. When the merger was announced I was hoping we would get the NWA guarantee of 75 hours and 1.5X pay above 80. That system is much better than the stupid GS deal we have now. I don't see how anyone can argue that our current GS system is superior. It may pay more total dollars out, but it goes to senior guys in base who are willing to put themselves on reserve to get the GS trips that come up.
We need a thread dedicated to this issue because digging it out of this thread but it might be in one of the threads sink started on what contract we want in 2012 . I'll look to see.
It sounds good on paper, but when executed as per NWA’s flying, it wasn’t. Read the numbers in the SLI mediation report. You can boast about this all you like, but the facts are on paper in the mediation hearings. If you simply look at the 1000/1200 hour monthly FAA limits, you can quickly see that the max monthly numbers are not supported here. As an example, even if every pilot was able to fly to the FAA limit (which they did not), domestically they could only fly an additional 3.33 hours. Hardly the giant loss portrayed by some of you. Yes our system favors the senior guys, but again, do you think that seniority is not worth anything? Should we just give everyone 3 weeks of vacation and call it even?
Having said that, if the old system was 1.5 X anything over 78 hours, then it would probably become a significant difference. Open for rebuttals.
Having said that, if the old system was 1.5 X anything over 78 hours, then it would probably become a significant difference. Open for rebuttals.
How about this idea. You volunteer to put yourself on reserve during days that reserves available are less than reserves required. For doing so you get the min day credit 5:15 paid at 1.5X pay. If they call you then you get 1.5X pay for 5:15 or the greater of what you fly. If they don't call you then you just get the 5:15. The system we have now basically puts you on reserve (no proffer for trip if they call you) and you don't get paid anything for it. Just another way of covering premium pay.
ACL, I love the idea of a sliding min guarantee based upon the ALV. Never thought of that.
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When has there ever been any attack against your former MEC Chair from a south union official? I bet every north pilot could name Lee Moak within a few weeks of this whole process starting off because he was attacked relentlessly. There is a big difference between webboard chatter and official communications from union officials. The other point is that many of those attacks from union officials are just plain false. (does the hullabaloo over LOA 19 and who called who ring a bell?)
So I apologize for the "petty personal fiefdom" remark that was probably over the top, like much webboard chatter is. To somehow equate that to calling someone a Nazi is truly inappropriate and your attempt to justify it is pretty weak.
You say my using "north" and "south" is divisive and yet you defend the demand that the negotiating committee be divided amongst "north" and "south". You say you are trying to work and act like we are one pilot group and yet you defend the people who are working the most to generate divides. You can't have it both ways. If we are one pilot group, then there should be no labels on who came from where. If we are one pilot group then union leaders should quit trying to draw dividing lines. Right now I only see that from one group.
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An hourly override for anyone on any trip that touches two days prior or two days after makes sense. IOW, any trip in which the company has the ability to deny an authorized personal drop due to the trip touching a holiday, as defined in our PWA, deserves premium pay
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Sort of like DAL AFA organizers....
supporting a union that raided another union while it was in negotiations inside bankruptcy....
supporting a union that ensured labor no longer has the right to strike after contract rejection through 1113.
You just never know anymore...
supporting a union that raided another union while it was in negotiations inside bankruptcy....
supporting a union that ensured labor no longer has the right to strike after contract rejection through 1113.
You just never know anymore...
I know we will all have opinions on this subject. I've worked at three airlines in the last 5 years and I've seen three totally different ways of dealing with premium pay. The DAL-S system is the weakest by far. Just for fun go back the past 12 months and add up how many hours over 80 you have been credited for and paid straight pay. PBS builds me a line over 80 hours almost every month whether I want it or not. I think all of us would have made more money getting paid 1.5X pay for those hours.
How about this idea. You volunteer to put yourself on reserve during days that reserves available are less than reserves required. For doing so you get the min day credit 5:15 paid at 1.5X pay. If they call you then you get 1.5X pay for 5:15 or the greater of what you fly. If they don't call you then you just get the 5:15. The system we have now basically puts you on reserve (no proffer for trip if they call you) and you don't get paid anything for it. Just another way of covering premium pay.
ACL, I love the idea of a sliding min guarantee based upon the ALV. Never thought of that.
How about this idea. You volunteer to put yourself on reserve during days that reserves available are less than reserves required. For doing so you get the min day credit 5:15 paid at 1.5X pay. If they call you then you get 1.5X pay for 5:15 or the greater of what you fly. If they don't call you then you just get the 5:15. The system we have now basically puts you on reserve (no proffer for trip if they call you) and you don't get paid anything for it. Just another way of covering premium pay.
ACL, I love the idea of a sliding min guarantee based upon the ALV. Never thought of that.
Your idea about reserves seems OK to me.
What say you?
Waves,
So much of this has been beaten to death I don't know where to start....so it may be best not too...........oh what the heck.
I will say I'm on record being thankful for the pay raise. With that said, lets not kid EACH OTHER that either one of us are even close to where we were prebankruptcy. That, in my opinion, is the bottom line that gets missed.
Also, I think we had the perfect arbitration! Both sides can point to areas where the other side "got a better deal". Lord knows we beat every possibility to death on here while the list was in arbitration. AND, every fear on both sides was realized in spades. I would suggest most see that and have moved on.
Welcome to the L&G, I'm a PHX commuter so maybe I'll see ya up there sometime. I looked real hard at the 737B position, I'd be like the #3 bidder, now that is a pay cut for QOL (I'm a 757 guy). Or, I may see you and Denny in SEA........poor dumb b@$tards
Ferd
So much of this has been beaten to death I don't know where to start....so it may be best not too...........oh what the heck.
I will say I'm on record being thankful for the pay raise. With that said, lets not kid EACH OTHER that either one of us are even close to where we were prebankruptcy. That, in my opinion, is the bottom line that gets missed.
Also, I think we had the perfect arbitration! Both sides can point to areas where the other side "got a better deal". Lord knows we beat every possibility to death on here while the list was in arbitration. AND, every fear on both sides was realized in spades. I would suggest most see that and have moved on.
Welcome to the L&G, I'm a PHX commuter so maybe I'll see ya up there sometime. I looked real hard at the 737B position, I'd be like the #3 bidder, now that is a pay cut for QOL (I'm a 757 guy). Or, I may see you and Denny in SEA........poor dumb b@$tards
Ferd
Comon up to SLC, love to have ya.
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