Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-10-2010, 11:33 AM
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The reduction in hours of pay is not so much a result of the PWA as it is a result of a decrease in capacity. Fewer hours of pay were coming with or without a merger. The shift to DAL work rules and manning formula's along with the increase in hourly rates probably softened the hit and prevented displacements. We are just pulling out of the worst recession since the Great Depression, with the resultant loss of over 20% in revenue and no one got furloughed. We ought to all be happy about that. Now our combined company is well positioned for the recovery. Let's focus on our common interests and leave the past behind, we have the potential to be a part of an industry leading airline with an industry leading contract, let's focus on that. 
+1!!! Agree 100%
04-10-2010, 11:38 AM
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"International operation" means a flight segment to or from an airport, or between airports, located outside the contiguous 48 states of the United States.
Exception: A flight segment to or from an airport located in Canada or Alaska will not be considered an international operation.
"International pay" means an hourly pay premium paid to a pilot for flight time flown in an international operation.
04-10-2010, 11:43 AM
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Today's "find the good things in life" moment:
I got my 73N books yesterday... was looking through the LOD, and they provide all the answers in the LOD now!
That saved me hours of hunting around... definitely a nice thing.
I got my 73N books yesterday... was looking through the LOD, and they provide all the answers in the LOD now!
That saved me hours of hunting around... definitely a nice thing.
04-10-2010, 11:47 AM
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Wow, I've read some crazy stuff on the internets before, but this one is right up there.... I think we need a Snopes for DALPA.
I'm a committee guy. I don't have to report anything to the MEC unless I'm doing work directed by the MEC.
To put it in plainer English.... your statement is false.
I'm a committee guy. I don't have to report anything to the MEC unless I'm doing work directed by the MEC.
To put it in plainer English.... your statement is false.
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04-10-2010, 11:52 AM
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Here's the current language
"International operation" means a flight segment to or from an airport, or between airports, located outside the contiguous 48 states of the United States.
Exception: A flight segment to or from an airport located in Canada or Alaska will not be considered an international operation.
"International pay" means an hourly pay premium paid to a pilot for flight time flown in an international operation.
"International operation" means a flight segment to or from an airport, or between airports, located outside the contiguous 48 states of the United States.
Exception: A flight segment to or from an airport located in Canada or Alaska will not be considered an international operation.
"International pay" means an hourly pay premium paid to a pilot for flight time flown in an international operation.
04-10-2010, 12:11 PM
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I guess the bottom line is, DAL N guys perceive it as a pay cut, and that is just as important as me thinking their thoughts are misdirected. When I perceive something as a pay cut, no matter what anyone says, I'm not gonna be happy about it. In that regard, I am sympathetic. The good news is that we now have over 5000 more guys fired up about getting more pay. Cheers to that!
04-10-2010, 12:14 PM
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The current push is to get committee members elected by the MEC so the "north" guys can reestablish their petty personal fiefdoms like their old MEC did. They started with the negotiating committee by insisting that they have 4 members with a "2 and 2" split. I guess half the negotiating committee represents me and the other half represents the "north" guys, wow that sounds like a great work environment to me.
The next push will be the MEC officer elections in August. Look for another manufactured outrage starting in June or July. They will stir up disunity and then demand that the only way to unify the pilot group is to give into the demands of the "north" reps.
By using the politics of personal destruction, the north reps are forcing the entire Delta MEC to bend to their will. They will continue to foster the persecution complex amongst the "north" pilots as long as they get their way. I have never seen a bunch of guys who got better work rules, better retirement, and a 20% raise in less than 2 years have such feelings of persecution.
The next push will be the MEC officer elections in August. Look for another manufactured outrage starting in June or July. They will stir up disunity and then demand that the only way to unify the pilot group is to give into the demands of the "north" reps.
By using the politics of personal destruction, the north reps are forcing the entire Delta MEC to bend to their will. They will continue to foster the persecution complex amongst the "north" pilots as long as they get their way. I have never seen a bunch of guys who got better work rules, better retirement, and a 20% raise in less than 2 years have such feelings of persecution.
I will confess we did get a pay RATE raise. I also know that we lost over 400 seniority list instructor positions (not to mention the staffing backfill that required), which all paid pretty well. I know a lot of guys who lost tens of THOUSANDS of dollars in sick time. I also know that a lot of guys are still taking it in the shorts as far as DC contributions. I know we lost time and half for everything over 80, which was a HECK of a lot more flexible than waiting in base for the phone to ring. Also a lot of guys who commute are not getting green slips because they don't live in base. But of course, that's a choice, right? I know we lost a great call in honest policy (which was policy, granted, but it's still gone).
Personally, I'm tickled that we have people on the NC that bring a viewpoint and EXPERIENCE of working under a different system to the party. I'm really, really glad we don't have a "not invented here" kind of person, and I am sure as heck glad we didn't get any disciples of interest based bargaining, or anything that looks like it.
I think the angst your seeing in the mirror, Alfa, is that you just weren't expecting a pilot group that didn't bow down and kiss the very ground just for wearing a DAL uniform. While a the south guys have a majority, it's a slim one, and this wasn't the steamroller the Northeastern, Western or PanAM merger was. Northside guys are INVOLVED, they pay attention to what goes on, and when they have a problem, they call their reps and make noise. The reps listen to them, otherwise they aren't reps anymore. Deal with it.
We're here because they pay us to be here, and not because of what it says on the side of the airplane (what would you call that? Delta Jet Syndrome? DJS?)
"Merger of equals"...yes, I seem to remember that coming from one of the arbitrators in the transcript. It's not your ball anymore Alfa, it's OUR (as in north and south) and you need to learn to share.
Personally, I think we got a great group. I think the MEC is in a position to represent the interests of EVERYONE at DAL, and given another year for everyone to find their footing, it will be in great shape heading into 2012. I honestly believe the MEC and the NC understand what's NOT for sale.
It's time that you stop sowing YOUR "politics of personal destruction" and "hop on board the train before it leaves the station" (ahhh, turnabout is such fair play).
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04-10-2010, 12:23 PM
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Just heard management is talking to ALPA leadership about letting go some more scope to allow regionals to fly birds with up to 100 seats in exchange for some pay increases. Any truth to this?
04-10-2010, 12:24 PM
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10%? Do you really want me to respond to 10% for the first year of the new PWA?
04-10-2010, 12:25 PM
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Nope, and even if they were the majority of the DAL MEC voting body would kill it. Bad rumor. Not even approached.
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