n9810f

5521 was the first one done. 5523 is now out flying in DL colors. And 5530 is in ATL getting paint.

Waves

I think she said it was listed in her bid package as an A330. It goes ATL-SLC-24-SLC-NRT-24-NRT-SLC-48-SLC-NRT-24-NRT-SLC-ATL. Something like that. She is 747 qualed, but I don't think thats the aircraft.

NuGuy

It's "glad handling" the north pilots. We've said loud and clear "your DAL-S leadership isn't working here", and he's got to try to schmooze them.

Might work in MSP. He'll be tolerated politely in DTW, but with scattered eye rolls, but prompty dismissed as more spin. As I was explaining before being shouted down by the Southside Groupthink Commitee, the KW/Council 54 issues are a SYMPTOM of the problem, not the underlying cause.

I'm telling you, the MEC leadership/committee people from the southside do NOT understand the northside pilot group...at all. Whoever is feeding them info on how to "handle" us is doing it incorrectly or they are just plain asking the wrong people.

If they really want to fix the problem, then GET "advisors" who will tell you the truth, rather than what they want to hear.

Oh, yea, the committee structure is d!cked up too. They should answer to the MEC, and not the officers. There is WAY, WAY too much southside bureaucratic inertia...they need to change the way they do busniess to meet the expectations of the group.

IMHO, YMMV....

Nu

Bucking Bar

Yep, done that, twice. Bring on those reinstatements!

keenster

Hey Nu,
You must have one thick forehead dude. Keep banging your head against the wall, but I doubt it will do any good. Just sat through 3 hours of don't ask why and there is a new sheriff in town! It's going to take some time. In the mean time, they are ticking off 5000 pilots. I don't think that they really care!!!????

+1 on the committee structure!!!!!!!!!!!

slowplay

My mileage varies...a lot.

There was WAY, WAY too much northside inertia...they need to change the way they do business to meet the expectations of the majority of the group!

Gee, is that statement inflammatory? Changing one or two words without changing context...

Seems that you step into the process (as directed by the new MEC and policy manual) and you do fine. Move away 2 weeks and you're back to the old "sausage maker" routine, where you'd like to turn your knife inward. What gives?

NuGuy

I wouldn't consider it a "majority". There are plently of Southside guys who don't like the way things are, either. Half of the S group and all of the N group makes a compelling majority.

If what Keenster says is true, and that these sessions are just more of "this is the way we do things, and if you don't like it, tough" then all you are doing is prolonging and/or irritating the problem.

And there IS an apparent problem, otherwise these trips would be unnecessary. I'm all for working within the system for change, and the impression I got was that message had been received.

But if all the "change" winds up to be is another variation of the spin we HAVE been seeing, well then, it's time to fire up the sausage maker. The problem the MEC leadership faces is that the northside guys KNOW all the tricks already. We've seen this same tired show before and have xeroxed copies of "MEC Communications 101 for Dummies" handbook. We already know the plays.

The MEC leadership can't just talk the talk. It's got to walk the walk, and it's a long walk to get back to zero after the recent debacles, and that goes for the commitee chairmen as well.

Besides, sausage tastes good...pork chops taste good...bacon tastes good....

Nu

keenster

I'm sure that there is a south guy over there that knows about the history of "There's a new sheriff in town" comment. Who knows the guy who said it probably posts on here. Anyway, I guess it does not matter that much, but it sure is a divisive statement and kinda throws compromise out the window especially when it concerns issues dealing with safety of flight.

Sink r8

You know, I'm sure I'm missing a lot of the subtext by not knowing the personal politics of some of the proxies that post here (for both "sides"), but the above tells smells funny. You're saying you have to pick the right people to translate "Northerner"? From the beginning, a lot of the discussion has been about why certain people need to be in positions of leadership. Granted, this goes both ways, and I'm sure the Moak group also wants the "right people" in the "right places". As for the rest of us line pukes, it's pretty obvious this isn't about the fact the MEC can't understand the pilots, but about the fact some people have built a career running committees, are now finding they're redundant, and so they want to convert themselves into "interpreters".

Except, we don't need interpreters.

I do think it's amusing that Moak wants people to RSVP to this visit, so it tells me there is a little attempt to control the crowd. But I think you can rest assured the DTW people will be able to communicate whatever it is they want to communicate directly to him. Besides, they have reps to relay their intentions, don't they?

As for various ALPA lifers that have to find some angle to justify their continued "employment", I think the average line pilot on either side of the shoe line will agree that, with few exceptions, the good ALPA people are reluctant to serve. The ones that relish it, and maneuver for it, are not usually those we would wish to see involved. I think this is particularly true in the committees. You could kick out the (right) half of those people tomorrow, and the union would hardly hiccup. In fact, I bet it would perform much better.

My point exactly. This is about committee structure. This is the kind of internal MEC crap that rightfully makes our eyes glaze over. Truth is, our job is to elect good LEC officers. That's hard enough as it is. It's their job to make sure they're listened to. They need to keep the Chairman accountable, and running an efficient administration. If it doesn't work, they need to fire him. Seems simple enough to me.

I'm sure some councils don't feel it's good enough that they vote on policy, and have equal weight with other LEC's within the MEC, and I'm sure they feel they have to get direct access to committees, and do a little personal steering. What fun is a democratic setup, if you can't have a little access?

At any rate, I wanted to let you know that some of us don't have the subtext, and aren't "in the know", but we can see the politics well enough. And it's getting a little tiresome. It's also a little unsettling to imagine our reps aren't able to handle this directly, without resorting to proxy battles on forums, where they're interrupting the AE rumors, and spacing out the cheerleader pictures too much.

Welcome back, BTW.

Denny Crane

Yeah!! Yeah!! That's the ticket!! Only guys living is SEA can bid it!!! I can live with that! I wouldn't want anyone to lose any money!

Denny