Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-08-2010, 05:15 PM
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There are certain items that will be needed in a next gen cockpit. EFIS and glass in general provides a lot of what will be required. GPS upgrades, as well as a cpdlc will be the bridge to the sat base ATC system that next gen will usher in.
I was told about a year ago that they were working on a presentation to the BOD for the 767/757 retro fit. It was on or near the two year desired ROI, so they were fairly bullish on its prospects.
I have not checked back to see what its status is. As you know things move slowly around here and "soon" means in the next three to five years!
I was told about a year ago that they were working on a presentation to the BOD for the 767/757 retro fit. It was on or near the two year desired ROI, so they were fairly bullish on its prospects.
I have not checked back to see what its status is. As you know things move slowly around here and "soon" means in the next three to five years!
04-08-2010, 05:16 PM
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As one of the many sideline viewers who tries to keep up with the latest and greatest. I have enjoyed the picked up pace lately. Waves I appreciate all your stories. Just wanted to throw my two-cents in about the quality of Delta flight attendants. I am slightly biased though. I spent three and half years as a Japanese speaking flight attendant for Delta from 99-02. I took the job as Delta offered to reimburse the cost for the final three years of college. I have really fond memories of that time.
While I understand all the cat rancher comments and jokes. The vast majority of the people I flew with were extremely talented. As a young college student it was working and mingling with these great people that my horizons were truly expanded. Even today I consider it a huge blessing in my life to have been exposed to such high caliber people at a young age.
As one who hopes to one day return to a Delta cockpit, I am all with you guys when you say bring on the new hires. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who contribute to make this thread what it is. At times this thread is what helps keep me motivated and slugging it out here in RJ land. Thanks guys.
While I understand all the cat rancher comments and jokes. The vast majority of the people I flew with were extremely talented. As a young college student it was working and mingling with these great people that my horizons were truly expanded. Even today I consider it a huge blessing in my life to have been exposed to such high caliber people at a young age.
As one who hopes to one day return to a Delta cockpit, I am all with you guys when you say bring on the new hires. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who contribute to make this thread what it is. At times this thread is what helps keep me motivated and slugging it out here in RJ land. Thanks guys.
04-08-2010, 05:22 PM
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Let me guess, you couldn't survive without a WSO...
The funding goes into all the defined benefit pension plans that exist at Delta. At Delta South, the non-contract plan (which included DAL management) was hard frozen, just like all the north plans. All of those plans were(are) significantly underfunded but survived bankruptcy due to the passage of pension reform legislation in 2006. The only pension plan terminated has been the south pilot plans (approved 9/2/06 by the bankruptcy court and accepted 12/31/06 by PBGC). The non-contract (read management) non-qualified plan was rejected during the bankruptcy, so there are no pre-petition non-qualified benefits payable.
In addition to Delta funding the pension benefit your wife actually earned, she currently receives a 2% company contribution to her 401K. She also is eligible for company 401K matching contributions of up to 5%, for a total 7% DC.
04-08-2010, 05:36 PM
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04-08-2010, 05:47 PM
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As one of the many sideline viewers who tries to keep up with the latest and greatest. I have enjoyed the picked up pace lately. Waves I appreciate all your stories. Just wanted to throw my two-cents in about the quality of Delta flight attendants. I am slightly biased though. I spent three and half years as a Japanese speaking flight attendant for Delta from 99-02. I took the job as Delta offered to reimburse the cost for the final three years of college. I have really fond memories of that time.
While I understand all the cat rancher comments and jokes. The vast majority of the people I flew with were extremely talented. As a young college student it was working and mingling with these great people that my horizons were truly expanded. Even today I consider it a huge blessing in my life to have been exposed to such high caliber people at a young age.
As one who hopes to one day return to a Delta cockpit, I am all with you guys when you say bring on the new hires. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who contribute to make this thread what it is. At times this thread is what helps keep me motivated and slugging it out here in RJ land. Thanks guys.
While I understand all the cat rancher comments and jokes. The vast majority of the people I flew with were extremely talented. As a young college student it was working and mingling with these great people that my horizons were truly expanded. Even today I consider it a huge blessing in my life to have been exposed to such high caliber people at a young age.
As one who hopes to one day return to a Delta cockpit, I am all with you guys when you say bring on the new hires. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who contribute to make this thread what it is. At times this thread is what helps keep me motivated and slugging it out here in RJ land. Thanks guys.
How did that PC go with my bud?
04-08-2010, 05:51 PM
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For reference, this is a 2008 article but divide $40M by 150 aircraft and you're right around $265,000 to upgrade 737-300 cockpits.
Southwest Airlines has awarded GE a $40 million contract to modify Boeing 737-300 aircraft with large area display suites to allow for the operation of required navigation performance procedures.
RNP, which relies on satellite-based navigation instead of ground-based systems, allows aircraft to fly along a precise, pre-defined path saving both time and fuel.
In addition to GPS and enhanced flight management systems (FMS), onboard equipment for RNP generally includes displays that allow pilots to monitor navigation performance.
Large area displays will be installed in up to 150 classic aircraft, with delivery starting in early 2011. The carrier's 737-300's will conduct RNP operations once the displays are integrated with the FMS upgrades Southwest awarded to GE last year.
Boeing will be the lead integrator for a larger programme to upgrade Southwest's Boeing 737-300s and -700s. The integrated cockpit displays will feature primary flight displays, standby instrument and control panels. Primary flight displays, which have been designed to mimic the appearance of the next generation 737 cockpit, have 15.4-inch screen displays with dual-channel display architecture.
Southwest has selected Boeing to oversee the design, installation and integration of hardware and software from suppliers including GE Aviation, Honeywell and Rockwell Collins. The airframer will also manage flight testing and certification of the cockpit upgrades.
While some engineering has begun, other work will start in the second quarter of 2009, with upgrades expected to be complete in 2013, a Boeing spokesman says, adding he expects to achieve FAA certification for an amended type certificate in 2010.
"The 737-300 enhancements will also position Southwest for additional features -- currently under development -- that will support future airspace requirements," Boeing says in a statement.
Boeing's spokesman expects other carriers to consider similar upgrades.
"As Southwest is a leader in the low-cost model, I think this is something other airlines will be looking at," he says, declining to speculate on future customers.
The integrated large area display suite and FMS controls allow the aircraft track to an accuracy of 32.81ft (10 meters) and the time of arrival to within 10 seconds to any point in the flight plan.
The displays will also align -300 and -700 flight decks, creating commonality and allowing -300s to operate in the same preferred airspace as newer -700s.
Southwest is investing $175 million during a six-year period to implement RNP procedures on classic and next generation aircraft.
RNP operations by Southwest on certain routes are scheduled to begin in the fourth quarter of 2009, ramping up system-wide through 2013, in a move that CEO Gary Kelly says he believes could save "tens of millions annually".
Its interesting, a decent cockpit makeover from analog to integrated costs anywhere from $100K for a Cessna 210 to $250K for a King Air or light jet to some multi-million dollar absurd numbers for those who don't do their homework.
It is interesting that you can take a 1970s or 1980s King Air 200 with no digital anything and turn it into this:
Southwest Airlines has awarded GE a $40 million contract to modify Boeing 737-300 aircraft with large area display suites to allow for the operation of required navigation performance procedures.
RNP, which relies on satellite-based navigation instead of ground-based systems, allows aircraft to fly along a precise, pre-defined path saving both time and fuel.
In addition to GPS and enhanced flight management systems (FMS), onboard equipment for RNP generally includes displays that allow pilots to monitor navigation performance.
Large area displays will be installed in up to 150 classic aircraft, with delivery starting in early 2011. The carrier's 737-300's will conduct RNP operations once the displays are integrated with the FMS upgrades Southwest awarded to GE last year.
Boeing will be the lead integrator for a larger programme to upgrade Southwest's Boeing 737-300s and -700s. The integrated cockpit displays will feature primary flight displays, standby instrument and control panels. Primary flight displays, which have been designed to mimic the appearance of the next generation 737 cockpit, have 15.4-inch screen displays with dual-channel display architecture.
Southwest has selected Boeing to oversee the design, installation and integration of hardware and software from suppliers including GE Aviation, Honeywell and Rockwell Collins. The airframer will also manage flight testing and certification of the cockpit upgrades.
While some engineering has begun, other work will start in the second quarter of 2009, with upgrades expected to be complete in 2013, a Boeing spokesman says, adding he expects to achieve FAA certification for an amended type certificate in 2010.
"The 737-300 enhancements will also position Southwest for additional features -- currently under development -- that will support future airspace requirements," Boeing says in a statement.
Boeing's spokesman expects other carriers to consider similar upgrades.
"As Southwest is a leader in the low-cost model, I think this is something other airlines will be looking at," he says, declining to speculate on future customers.
The integrated large area display suite and FMS controls allow the aircraft track to an accuracy of 32.81ft (10 meters) and the time of arrival to within 10 seconds to any point in the flight plan.
The displays will also align -300 and -700 flight decks, creating commonality and allowing -300s to operate in the same preferred airspace as newer -700s.
Southwest is investing $175 million during a six-year period to implement RNP procedures on classic and next generation aircraft.
RNP operations by Southwest on certain routes are scheduled to begin in the fourth quarter of 2009, ramping up system-wide through 2013, in a move that CEO Gary Kelly says he believes could save "tens of millions annually".
Its interesting, a decent cockpit makeover from analog to integrated costs anywhere from $100K for a Cessna 210 to $250K for a King Air or light jet to some multi-million dollar absurd numbers for those who don't do their homework.
It is interesting that you can take a 1970s or 1980s King Air 200 with no digital anything and turn it into this:
04-08-2010, 05:53 PM
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As one of the many sideline viewers who tries to keep up with the latest and greatest. I have enjoyed the picked up pace lately. Waves I appreciate all your stories. Just wanted to throw my two-cents in about the quality of Delta flight attendants. I am slightly biased though. I spent three and half years as a Japanese speaking flight attendant for Delta from 99-02. I took the job as Delta offered to reimburse the cost for the final three years of college. I have really fond memories of that time.
While I understand all the cat rancher comments and jokes. The vast majority of the people I flew with were extremely talented. As a young college student it was working and mingling with these great people that my horizons were truly expanded. Even today I consider it a huge blessing in my life to have been exposed to such high caliber people at a young age.
As one who hopes to one day return to a Delta cockpit, I am all with you guys when you say bring on the new hires. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who contribute to make this thread what it is. At times this thread is what helps keep me motivated and slugging it out here in RJ land. Thanks guys.
While I understand all the cat rancher comments and jokes. The vast majority of the people I flew with were extremely talented. As a young college student it was working and mingling with these great people that my horizons were truly expanded. Even today I consider it a huge blessing in my life to have been exposed to such high caliber people at a young age.
As one who hopes to one day return to a Delta cockpit, I am all with you guys when you say bring on the new hires. I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who contribute to make this thread what it is. At times this thread is what helps keep me motivated and slugging it out here in RJ land. Thanks guys.
04-08-2010, 05:54 PM
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My question is are we going to make the MD-90 a seperate category from the MD-88 if we were to ever upgrade the cockpit of it but not the 88?
04-08-2010, 05:58 PM
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FtB;
It is a good idea, but lest not go down that road too far yet......
Info is forthcoming but not solid yet.....
It is a good idea, but lest not go down that road too far yet......
Info is forthcoming but not solid yet.....
04-08-2010, 06:01 PM
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I don't need no solid intel.
FWIW, the ATL airport is PACKED OUT. Non-revs crowding the gates, peoples names being called, MD88s and 757s all over the place. Nice.
However, you also get a front seat to the not so great experience of being a gate agent and a rightfully unhappy passenger. Maybe gate agents shouldn't have to work solo?
FWIW, the ATL airport is PACKED OUT. Non-revs crowding the gates, peoples names being called, MD88s and 757s all over the place. Nice.
However, you also get a front seat to the not so great experience of being a gate agent and a rightfully unhappy passenger. Maybe gate agents shouldn't have to work solo?
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